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Admiral Donutz VIP Member

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#1 14 years ago

Well who has seen the movie? It is in the dutch cinema for 1,5 weeks now and i finnaly got the time to see it this evening. I have a pretty high expectasion level on this movie actually so i hope that it will "satisfy" me (:p). For those who don't know where it is about: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0...1331328,00.html http://trailer.constantin-trailer.d...unterganggr.mov (the movie's trailer in german) I bet that all the germans here and some dutch already have seen it by now, and i also wonder which other (euro) countrys show this movie since i expect the authors/publisher to show this movie also in other countries besides germany ( premieré weeks ago) and holland (premierë 1,5 weeks ago).




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#2 14 years ago

I've seen it, it's ok. Like most German productions it isn't great, but some of the acting is quite good IMHO. BTW: It's always good to go to a movie with a low expectation level, less likely that you will be disappointed then ;)




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#3 14 years ago

Hmm. Will it be coming out in Britain? With Subtitles, please.




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#4 14 years ago

The Desert Fox was good, that's the same thing for Erwin Rommel.

But Hitler had a human side?




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#5 14 years ago
MrFancypantsI've seen it, it's ok. Like most German productions it isn't great, but some of the acting is quite good IMHO. BTW: It's always good to go to a movie with a low expectation level, less likely that you will be disappointed then ;)

I just saw it yesterday ad i have to say that it was quite good, it is better then the TV movie "stauffenberg" (which i liked a lot too). But then foreign movies often feel (sound) better because well they are spoken in a foreign languages and films in your own language tent to sound... well a bit cheap. It was quite shocking to see how the Goebbels couple ended the life's of their children because "they are too good to live in a world without nationalsocialism". Ofcourse i have read about it in books and saw it on tv documentaries where they spoke about it but to actually see things like this makes it far more shocking or even disturbing. Seeing fanatic waffen-SS hang civilians (volkssturm) and fellow soldiers because they know that the third reich is doomed and that it is of no more use to continue fightning is just evil. Like that scene where the high ranking (nazi party) doctor tries to stop a waffen SS (low ranking) officer from shooting two people: doctor: "you can not do this to them, you can not shoot them!" Waffen SS officer: "i can't?" -bang- -bang- It is also quite funny to see that many swear to be loyal to the führer and that they will fight to the last man and as soon as they leave the bunker they make a run for it. heh. The people who are actually willing to fight and die for the third reich are truely insane. An other funny (in some disturbing way) scene near the end (where a small group of high ranking heer and waffen SS officers) is when as soon as an other officer pop up and say "the führer is dead, the war is over/lost" and immidialty 3 waffen SS officers shoot themselfs. I found it a very intresting movie, quite shocking in times, but very emotional. I would chose this film above the more well known movies such as bridge's jones diary" (bah, stupid women film) and others. I am fond of historic based movies, especially onces about either nazi germany or the cold war. A real shame that it isn't advertised on tv :( , i bet that they fear that people will complain about it somehow. Why would they promote i already well known movie such as " Bridges jones diary" but not a less known but not promote a (IMO far more intresting) quailty movie about the nazi german from the german persective. I bet that if it would have been an other "allied" movie showing the russians taking berlin (from ofcourse the russian persective) it probably would have been adverised. Sad to see that none of the 3 major theatres here featured the movie, only the 4th and smalles cinema did :( .

Hmm. Will it be coming out in Britain? With Subtitles, please.

It is shown here with subtitles, but then we dutch love subtitles and hate to synchronise foreign movies, it destroys the atmosphere and it doesn't really add to the quality of the movie (instead it kills movies).

But Hitler had a human side?

Well he is potrayed more human, he isn't shown as a friendly man with nothing but good intensions or something. They still show how crual he was but they also show that he was human. The movie more or less shows the real hitler: a human being with very bad ideas who could be friendly to those around him. They still show his evil side though. There is a scene for example where a general asks hitler to think of the civilians, tho help them escape or even make an end to this war before even more innocent victems fall. Then hitler replies "they have asked for this, they proved to be weak. It is the way of nature, the weak species should perish. And now it is clear that the aryan rase is weak, we should die." He also says that "millions of people will hate him tommorow but that atleast he has done the right thing, that although the third reich fall he atleast manage to exterminate the bloody jews in the lebensraum areas like they deserved." He also says that "Nobody ever undestood me, not even my fightning comrades (of ww1). My generals where incompetent, they never fought like real soldiers. All they did was go to fancy milairy academies for years where they learn how to hold their spoons properly. I havent been to a miliary academy, and i am far more better then all of them, I was the miliary genius! I could have taken the world!" Well the above quotes are not 100% exact but they are pretty close, but it does show you that the film doesn't glorify the third riech or hitler, not at all. I found it a very impressive movie and it is a must see to everybody who is intrested in history, but also people who love other war movies should see this one to see things a little bit differenly for once. Great movie! german quality! :bows: 9+/10




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#6 14 years ago
Interloper But Hitler had a human side?

Somehow the media got that part wrong. The movie tries to show Hitler from another point of view. Just to soften up the stereotype of this fanaticspeechHitler which everyone has in his/hers heads. However, it doesn't want to show any humane sides of Hitler, the movie makes perfectly clear that this guy had some serious things going wrong in his head.