I'm not as much into LOTR as one might believe, but it was just a great movie because of all the different monsters and stuff in the trilogy. I liked Two Towers over the others (FOTR was a lot of romance and pretty much so was ROTK), but the other two were great still for other reasons (Balrog in FOTR, Nazgul in every movie, the machines of war the orcs used against Helm's Deep and Minas Tirith, etc). Those things made it exciting. It could be said that we've all seen this kind of stuff before. To list some movies about disasters, wars, etc:
Ben Hur, Independence Day, The Patriot, Gettysburg, Gods & Generals, We Were Soldiers (I liked this one a lot), Lord of the Rings, Star Trek movies (space battles and such), etc... They were all exciting in their own way - of these movies, we would never want to see those things happen in real life; though it does - and more often these days. But we've seen pretty much everything in war movies already - explosions (yeah, we've been there, saw that), great enemies falling (saw that too), but every enemy has a different end and that's what keeps it exciting. Orcs and aliens - just shoot, blow up, or stap - pretty standard. Sauron - take a ring to Mount Doom and finish him off. Alien ships - use F-18's against them (hahaha - the F-18's wouldn't have a chance). And then there's always a big awesome last stand (the Black Gate, the Battle on the 4th of July on the Independence Day movie, the Last Stand on the Patriot - Martin vs. Tavington, Pickett's Charge on the Gettysburg Movie, the fight between the Enterprise and the Scimitar on Star Trek: Nemesis, etc). To me, that part of movies is the most exciting. In Return of the King, the relationship between Sam and Frodo and the "Poetic" nature of the Elves is very much over-embellished - that's why it seems pretty gay or at least wierd, especially when in a movie. The thing with Sam and Frodo may not have been gay - perhaps at most, "Ambiguously Gay." The "Poetic" nature of the Elves was pretty much their way of apparently respecting nature and peace, and that was over-emphasized as well. I'm sure Elves would not have really been that 'poetic' because back 6,000 years ago, poetry didn't exist, as far as I know. Neither did English language or even advanced written language. Humans have been around for a very short time in history and thus there are people in the future who will think people in our present-day act "gay" or "wierd." Who knows! The point of Lord of the Rings was to destroy Sauron by taking out the ring - and that was done, with a few over-embellished character actions in between. But what I love about Lord of the Rings (and not that I'm for this in reality) is the war and finding out what is going to happen next or what twist the movie would have over the book. The twist with Frodo almost falling into the fires of Mount Doom was pretty convincing that Frodo was going to die. And seeing Gollum fall with the ring and being engulfed by lava was pretty neat. The part where the Tower of Barad-Dur falls is pretty awesome. Then Mount Doom explodes and that was exciting. Then Frodo and Sam are on that rock in the middle of the lava and that's where the "ambiguously gay" thing happens where they sort of 'cuddle'. But hey, who cares I guess. If they were gay, it happened 6,000 years ago so it doesn't much matter. :lol: I guess the movie could have not over-embellished it so much. But the rest is alright. Any literal inaccuracies that I saw in the book don't take away from the story IMHO.
Truce, although I see your point, its hardly fair to compare dialouge to a paragraph that seems to be directly describing something.
What makes a movie. The dialogue, which was complete terribly melodramatic, uninspired crap. The story, this is a given, not bad in the movies, but overlooked because of the overabundance of repetitive action sequences. And finally, the direction, where Peter Jackson sucks. Does every single shot in the entire friggin' movie have to be an epic pan or rotation of enormous mountain ranges, or castles, or cities, or armies, or epic battles? He sucks as a director. The first was good, because he focused on screenplay and writing and not pointless epicness. He sucks and they sucked.
Lol, yes, yes it does. It was supposed to be an "epic" movie, hence all the "epic" scenes. How else would you should massive armies engaging in hand to hand combat? The move Troy was the same way.
Yeah, and Troy was a complete joke of a movie. Good Lord...
Troy sure did suck, I'll give ya that! :)
Elrond1982 Anyway, the thought had crossed my mind on ROTK that there's something wierd. But I didn't think too much on it. :p Wait a minute, you watched Break Down yesterday? haha. Why oh why would you go and do something like that? ;)
It's in the TV room... I have nothing to do, no internet, no gaming, no women (well except the Orientals who came out during the term break). I had just been brain numbed by Demolition man and saw this random movie on. It started off ok so I sat down and watched but it got progressively shit as the time went by... Although people say that Elves are gay I never really found that that much in LOTR (except Legolas... but Orlando Bloom is a ladyman)... Indeed I always found the concept of 2 young boys... erm hobbits walking into the woods at the behest of an old man in white a bit more odd than dandy ladymen ;). It's nice to see that Truce acknowledges my point that Tolkien wasn't that good a writer, especially compared to others. Shinzo raises a good point about "epic" films which are just cheap... but then again so many people love that sort of thing while overlooking more subtle elements. Troy sucked end of story. It was just an interesting film for the ladies who could entertain themselves with either Brad or Orlando strutting around. Eric Bana was the only person who did a good job in acting but even his performance couldn't save the film
LOTR still had many cool features just as a movie though. I thought that the music was great, and was an important part of the movie. There were also a lot of cool scenes, like seeing Sauron's Tower, the Battle at Helms Deep, the Battle at Minis Tirith, and the fight between Gandalf and the Balrog.
Jeff is a mean boss
28th July 2002
yeah, but nothing can compare to what i thought the battle was like when i first read the book...the imagination is better than any computer made battle out there
But wasn't it weird how big battles like Helm's Deep were only a chapter? I sort of like the movie's emphasis on the action and battles more than I like the book's emphasis on the story. I'm an action movie guy anyway.