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#1 9 years ago

Because they are so rare, I am always on the lookout for pics and clips of the Seelow Heights battle. I'm not talking about the myriad craptastic recreations done for the Hitler Channel, but actual film taken at the time on the Heights themselves. There are the bits from the final Die Deutsche Wochenschau newsreel in mid-March 1945, but other than that I don't think I have ever seen anything. I ran across this clip, which even at only 2 1/2 minutes is long for a Seelow Heights piece of film. In fact I think it is the longest segment I have ever seen. This seems like it is from the DDW newsreel: YouTube - 1945 Last Film from the Oder Front - German Teen Soldiers

It is a teaser done as advertisement for longer such clips by an outfit called the "Romano Archives". They have flooded YouTube with many such teasers for archival footage which they bought up and now sell. Which is a shame in a way, since this film should be available from government archives online at the click of a mouse. But at least it still exists.

Does anyone know of any film taken by German or Soviet correspondents after April 16 ot '45 which is freely available? There are even very few photos. I've always assumed the battlefield on April 20 looked something like Falaise Gap. But I've never seen it.

There is also disappointingly little film available of the Battle of Berlin. It's understandable that no German sources survive - or probably never existed, since by that time making a record was not a top priority. There were many Soviet camera and photography teams assigned to record the fight for the lair of the fascist beast as it unfolded. But I have been disappointed at the publicly available film of that battle, since there were many heroic recreations done soon after the end of hostilities, and those have made it difficult to tell the genuine ones. This is an excellent thread for pics at militaryphotos,net: Battle of Berlin, 1945. - Military Photos. I think this is a Polish site: Berlín 1945 - Sovìtské fotografie. And here is a short Allied clip of damage to Berlin taken in early May 45: A CITY THAT DIED - Berlin Post V-E Day

Anyone have any links to other large caches of Berlin pics which are not the usual ones?




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#2 9 years ago

Hello? Is this thing on?

*chirrrp chirrrrp chirrrrp*




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#3 9 years ago

*chirp* yup...'tis on. Thanks for sharing. I enjoy the old footage. Next best thing to being there.




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#4 9 years ago

I think being there would actually suck a whole lot.




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#5 9 years ago

Afaik, the Germans could win that Battle and save Berlin from the Russians, but not from the Allies. I dont remember the name of the Seelow defence force, but he was a good Defensive one. The soviets found a weak Panzer Division in the south (I think) and attacked there, then the whole line had to retreat to avoid Encirclment.

Also, what a rare gun they are using, something like a Mini Flak 18, and a old WW1 Howitzer..




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#6 9 years ago
Captain Pyjama Shark;4886996I think being there would actually suck a whole lot.

There are some WWII situations that seem even worse than your average everyday terrifying combat where you at least have a hope of survival. It would be terible to be in one of those situations that are truly hopeless, but you're still alive to feel the dread and know the suffering that will surely follow.

Such as being a landser stuck in Stalingrad in late January; safely ditching your plane in the English Channel only to realize your cockpit track has been hit and deformed so it is impossible to slide the cocokpit more that a couple of inches; a GI on Corregidor; below deck in the Arizona, Bismarck or Tirpitz as she capsizes; seeing your family diverted to the shower lines at a German death camp; an Imperial Japanese Naval pilot from the Kaga, Soryu, Akagi or Hiryu returning with bingo fuel to find you have nowhere to land; in a bunker under flamethrower attack; in a mortally crippled sub stuck on the bottom, waiting for the air to run out; trapped in a burning plane at 25,000 feet. And in a pitiful little hole on Seelow Heights as you hear the first faint rumblings of diesel engines and squealing of tracks from the east.

Yikes. That stuff just gives me the willies.




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#7 9 years ago
torenico;4887056Afaik, the Germans could win that Battle and save Berlin from the Russians, but not from the Allies. I dont remember the name of the Seelow defence force, but he was a good Defensive one. The soviets found a weak Panzer Division in the south (I think) and attacked there, then the whole line had to retreat to avoid Encirclment.

Umm no. They were outnumbered 10-1 and suffering from all the problems plaguing the German Army in 1945. There was not a single thing they could do except delay the Russians for a few days.




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#8 9 years ago

I believed that at Seelow the Germans did have a remarkable and stubborn defence, didn't they? I had always thought that the attack on Seelow heights was a bit reminiscent of the first day of the Somme for the British, except that Russian numerical superiority combined with just about everything else-superiority gave them the victory, after a couple of days. Be this true, o wise ones?




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#9 9 years ago

Well yes, they had a remarkable and stubborn defense. A defense similar to the ones made by the Spartans at Thermopylae and the Texians at the Alamo. The eventual outcome of the battle was never in doubt.




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#10 9 years ago

The line itself was a good one. Well, im my last post, i ment that the Seelow Defense Force commander was a good one. When the Russians found a Panzer Division understrenght'd in the South, they attacked, then the Whole line was about to be Encircled..

Berlin was stupid, it was a race not a planned strike.. it was like. Ok this group of T34's will advance until they reach the Outskirts of Berlin.. just go to Berlin and ignore the Resistance Pockets.