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DarthWoo

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#1 14 years ago

Ok, so Enterprise may have become a low point of the Star Trek franchise, but I figure I'll watch it through to the end (rumors abound that this will be the last season). A brief story arc (Star Trek always has such short "arcs" compared to shows like Babylon 5) will have them showing up back at Earth, probably back in an altered past, with the Nazis having successfully invaded the entire east coast of the U.S. There was a brief shot of the White House surrounded by some sort of German tanks, although I'm not sure if they were any real kind. They had sort of the boxy top that the Sturmtigers or Elefants had, except a different gun, and it looked like an actual turret, rather than fused to the chassis. I'm not sure if it's just some tank I've never seen, or if it's just a cheap mockup by the art director who doesn't know anything about German tanks, or if they decided to design some prototype tanks. Anyway, it should at least be interesting for a little while, so I'll be watching.




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#2 14 years ago

I think that it's really going downhill! For fucks sake. . . . Alien Nazis!?!?!

It would take a miracle to have it not suck even more!




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#3 14 years ago

Enterprise both sucks and blows and I didnt think that was physically possible. The show has potential but neesd Rick Berman fired and needs new writers. I owuld put Michael Okuda in charge.

BTW, ST:TOS is 3 seasons, ST:TNG is 7 seasons, ST:DS9 is 7 seasons, ST:V is 7 seasons.

Babylon 5 is 5 seasons and was a set story intended to span 5 years from the beginning.




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#4 14 years ago

Just out of curiosity, I was wondering if the one tank they showed in the episode was based on any real Nazi tanks. Unfortunately I have no video capture hardware or a video file of it, so I can only describe it. It seemed to have the chassis of a King Tiger, but with a big and blocky but slightly sloped turret that was instead fused to the chassis and immobile. The gun looked pretty much the same as a KT however, being fairly long and with a muzzle brake. Edit: Oh, and I know that stuff about the seasons of the shows, and JMS' intentions about the story of B5. I'm just saying that it shows so much more skill to be able to write a show that spans such a long time with a continuous story, rather than just a collection of serials. Deep Space Nine managed to pull off a relatively decent continuous story for its last couple seasons, although I missed much of it unfortunately :(




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#5 14 years ago

When DS9 started I liked TNG better, but by the time DS9 finished it was my favorite.




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#6 14 years ago
Just out of curiosity, I was wondering if the one tank they showed in the episode was based on any real Nazi tanks.

"Nazi" tanks. :rolleyes:

Nazi is not synonymous with German, folks. Get that through your heads.

In any event, this episode of Star Trek which you people are talking about is only going to help breed more ignorance in the mainstream American public in regards to Germany during WWII. Such as Germany being so primitive and technologically backwards that they needed Aliens to help them win the war. Yeah right.




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MK."Nazi" tanks. :rolleyes: Nazi is not synonymous with German, folks. Get that through your heads. In any event, this episode of Star Trek which you people are talking about is only going to help breed more ignorance in the mainstream American public in regards to Germany during WWII. Such as Germany being so primitive and technologically backwards that they needed Aliens to help them win the war. Yeah right.

Not that I meant anything by that, but since Germany was under the control of the Nazi party at the time such tanks were designed, they may as well be Nazi tanks. Anyhow, how exactly does your second point stand? Sure, we KNOW the Germans had great technology, but they DIDN'T win the war, now did they? Anyway, I looked at some pictures, and I guess the tank in question was a Jagdtiger. According to achtungpanzer.com, it's best use was as a camoflaged stationary pillbox, so it's a strange thing to park in front of the captured White House, but I guess Berman didn't really care what was there as long as it looked neat.




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but since Germany was under the control of the Nazi party at the time such tanks were designed, they may as well be Nazi tanks.

So, if the United States has a republican president, are all tanks produced during that time period "Republican tanks"? :rolleyes:

Sure, we KNOW the Germans had great technology...

Yes, we know, but the general public is usually ignorant about such details. Most people assume that the Allies were more advanced, and that the Germans were somehow "anti-civilization." In fact, I rememeber Gregory Peck saying something along those lines in The Guns of Navarone.

...but they DIDN'T win the war, now did they?

No, but it wasn't an improbability. Certainly not to the extent that the Germans needed advanced alien technology to achieve any level of success.

Furthermore, this episode will feed more into the general assumption that Germany's focus was on the west, especially the United States, rather than the communist east.




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#9 14 years ago
MK. Furthermore, this episode will feed more into the general assumption that Germany's focus was on the west, especially the United States, rather than the communist east.

Quite true! Until the US entered the war Hitler didn't give a rat's ass about America or invading it. Hell Hitler didn't even care about France! All Hitler wanted was the great bread basket and plains of poland and western Russia.

Look up "Volksgemeinschaft" with regards to "Blood and Soil".




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#10 14 years ago

The tanks were Jagdtigers.




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