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tvih

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#21 14 years ago

LOL Ukko-Pekka... Well, most of the Soviet still had at least some winter gear, while the US soldiers at Bastogne didn't. In addition, Soviets lived in a cold country, unlike US. -10 to -20 degrees Celcius might not seem much, but it is. Maybe not with winter clothing and being accustomed to it, but in summer gear and not being used to the cold is a whole another experience. Finns were the most effective winter army of WW2, no doubt about it. But that doesn't mean 101st didn't perform very well in harsh conditions they were not properly trained or equipped to handle. No point in belittling their accomplishments (although people belittle Finland's accomplishments, so I guess it's a justful revenge... heh).




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#22 14 years ago
tvih Finns were the most effective winter army of WW2, no doubt about it. But that doesn't mean 101st didn't perform very well in harsh conditions they were not properly trained or equipped to handle. No point in belittling their accomplishments (although people belittle Finland's accomplishments, so I guess it's a justful revenge... heh).

Yeah. US army wasn't prepared for any winter fighting. Only after WW2 they started to pay more attention to that and prepare a winter suitable gear and winter training. They even had Finns teaching them how to fight in deep snow and low temperatures. EDIT: Kind of related: Just found this from the web :D : SuomenSalainenAse.jpg




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#23 14 years ago

US still didnt get it right because they suffered as many casulties if not more to cold in Korea as they did in WW2.




tvih

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#24 14 years ago

And for that they can only blame themselves. If the most powerful nation on this planet can't train and equip their troops so that they won't freeze to death even after what they learned during and after WW2, all I can say is :wtf:




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#25 14 years ago

They got their act together finally. Last I knew the USMC trained troops in Artic warfare. I also seem to remember them doing Artic training with Canadian troops at Cold Lake in Alberta. Not sure what the US Army does.




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#26 14 years ago

It would make more sense to have a memorial to the 101st OR even better, all the American troops.




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#27 14 years ago
Anlushac11*sigh* General McAuliffe commanded the 101st Airborne Division, its not a armored Division. :smack:

They had more support and artillery than their surrounders did ;)