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#1 12 years ago

I was wondering why the British army never used or developed a heavy machine gun for the infantry; I know they used the Bren Light Machinegun but it couldn't have been as effective as the American Brownings or the German MG34/42. I know the used the Vickers but I don't think it was something you could sling over your shoulder or quickly set up.




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#2 12 years ago

Only purely British issued MG's I could think of under British use were the Vickers and Lewis Machine Guns.

Both fired .303 which is almost the same round fired from a German MG42 and MG34. The Vickers/Lewis were comparable to the American .30cal in stopping power.

Remember Britain was under a Lend-Lease act from America so they were probably issued .50cal's and .30cal's independantly or on vehicles. With that in mind, I dont think there was much need for a British designed HMG. They certainly didnt have the industrial strength to produce enough as would be required. The British had 40mm Bofors for AA use, .30cals, Brens etc. for infantry so I guess every space for a HMG was filled.

I guess they really just didnt need one.

Vickers MG:

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#3 12 years ago

Put it down to that British "contrariaanism" (which seems to have about died out today). British history is full of examples of how England stubbornly refused to adapt or improve any number of poliices and practices in every facet of life, not just the military. But the British military was always famously idiosyncratic, refusing to abandon tactics and wepaons which were outdated or ineffective, and , conversely, refusing to adopt new weapons which had been clearly been proven.

It boggles the mind to consider that the RAF thought that 4-6 .303 machine guns were perfectly sufficient armament for it's Spitfires and Hurricanes. The Bofors, etc. were fine weapons but I don't think there is any question that Britain needed a round somewhere in between .303" and 1.7" (that's what 40mm is). Every other industrialized nation thought so. Also, the Bofors is a cannon ("gun" is the correct term) and not a small arm.

But instead of accepting the obvious, some group of British generals, all old school boys who had known each other from birth and had spent theur adolescence alternately buggering and beating each other, decided why, heavens no!, why would we ever want a a machine gun heavier than a .303, dear boy?




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#4 12 years ago

Maybe the lewis mg that was used for planes? I know the Sas and Airborn units used it. Is the weapon used in big numbers?




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#5 12 years ago
'[nlInvincible']Maybe the lewis mg that was used for planes? I know the Sas and Airborn units used it. Is the weapon used in big numbers?

I was not aware British forces used Lewis guns at all in WWII unless as an emergency. I had thought Airborne used Brens, and that the Long Range Desert Group, Popski's Private Army, etc., (the precursors to SAS) used combinations of Vickers .303's and the aircraft version of Browning .50's that fired at as much higher rate than the venerable M-2.




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#6 12 years ago

I think he means the Vickers Gas Operated also called Vickers K. They look the similar because they both have a pan magazine. The Vickers GO is in FH, but its incorrectly named the Lewis Gun. The Lewis Gun was obsolete before the war, but it was sometines used by the LRDG early in the war. FH should have added M2 Air Pattern which also has a higher muzzle velocity which is better for armor piercing. It is already in the BF1942: SW map Raid On Agheila and could have been mounted on the SAS jeeps in FH instead of the inacurrate M1919A4s and bombers in FH instead of regular M2s.