Kruder;3682654Tell wtf you think about Tr...You just talk bullshit based on your asses.
HAHAHAHAHAHhihihhihihiHehhehe ohhh man, stop it, hehheheheh ahhh that was good:rofl:*goes back to the sidelines and eats Timbits*
Kruder;3682819As i've said you guys can only post personal insult sarcasm or stuff based on my country etc. ,"use paragraphs" ,"meow" "hey they killed armenians" "your goverment is fascist" without making one solid point
what next i wonder,i mean how low can you go...
[/QUOTE] Here is the answer
Fuzzy Bunny;3684023 The guy's obviously too fucking dumb to walk and chew gum at the same time It reminds me of someone...whom, whom....oh yeah...Spoiler: Show
Blooeah! Wraaargh! Mwraaagh! Raaar!
Like i've said earlier
[QUOTE=Kruder;3683400] Infact i shouldnt write this long instead just call you names,that is the kind of debate you want.
Coca-Cola;3684090HAHAHAHAHAHhihihhihihiHehhehe ohhh man, stop it, hehheheheh ahhh that was good:rofl:*goes back to the sidelines and eats Timbits*[/QUOTE] You misquoted it btw,Kruder;3682654Stop bringing irrelevant subjects about Turkey,topic is about bush middle east ,invasion of Iraq etc not Turkey. Tell wtf you think about Tr in a seperate thread if you want.Ill give you some more links which you guys cant do...You just talk bullshit based on your asses.
Just read the pages,i(and Lobo) tried to show some proof but they were not "credible" -credible as in embedded i guess- enough ,the guys just dont want to believe because they think they are wrong based on what??.***. About my language, i write like i speak,i also swear a lot while talking thus in writing,at least i dont spam with "ahahahahahahahahahah rofl lol lfmao" type messages :)
And Jumjum thx for trying to write something other my nation or writing style etc.
Quisling was used by some right wing supporting guy first,not by me,all these rant started after that quisling if u recall or bother to read
[QUOTE=Nukem Boy;3655473]The quisling Leftists in Congress have no will to see my nation survive the 21st-century, only Bush and few others do. Maybe Israel will get its revenge this summer against Hezbollah and Iran, for the good of the West and Israel. America, F$#% yeah!
Do you have any "credible" sources about civilian casualties in Iraq??What or who is credible??USMC?FOX?CNN?
Edit:What more do u need to believe that civilian casualties caused by coalition forces are very high in Iraq,that you are there for oil and dont give a damn about residents etc.Ffs marines even upload videos how they are bringing democracy to Iraq.
Even Pentagon blocked youtube access:
to prevent its troops from uploading videos like that:
Yes Fisk is a sentimental and passionate guy and this sometimes might bring his neutrality in question this doesnt change the fact he has been in the hot zone for years,awarded with several press awards for his work.
Oh... this is the first time... no, GAZILLION TIMES?
Wait, i have met a Turksih before, but certainly, he is not like this one. Mostly they don't swear perfect english slang when they burst into anger.
My Turkish friend, please sip a few drinks of Turkish coffee (forget the name) and relax.
If Kruder drinks a turkish cofee he will eat our lungs, because the turkish coffee is so good and pure that the spoon stands up.
Robert Fisk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I love this man, he is a real journalist, not like the right wing puppets doing journalism from their hotels, and buying the bullshit in the meetings with generals
Like the master Robert Capa told: a real journalist can't be unbiased, he/she must be the voice and eyes of victims, and that juornalism is done in the dust and the mud of the bombed streets, not in acts halls
Of course you like him - he writes what you like to read, says what you like to hear. Fisk is an advocate flying the false flag of journalism. He has a political view which he allows to color what passes for his reporting. But he doesn't "report" in the sense of attempting to give a fair, objective recitation of what he sees and hears in context of the situation. He has picked a team, and he tries to help it, and hurt the other one, every change he has.
...not like the right wing puppets doing journalism from their hotels, and buying the bullshit in the meetings with generals.
I was gonna let this just pass as I do about 90% of the flamebait here, but I gotta call bullshit. I usually don't comment these days out of fear the mere fact of response will touch off the kind of flamfests usually reserved for threads on nuclear war or anything about Bush. But, really, isn't this a caricature more than a description? Yes, it feels good and all, and it's red meat to the faithful since it feeds the same kind of biases and prejudices that the left enjoys accusing the right of. But it's reckless and provocative, and I don't know why you do it.
Lobo;3686552Like the master Robert Capa told: a real journalist can't be unbiased, he/she must be the voice and eyes of victims, and that juornalism is done in the dust and the mud of the bombed streets, not in acts halls
Yeah except you know what? Capa managed to convey the event, the being there with the image, without rubbing his political theories, whatever they are, in your face. His camera didn't lie because it didn't have to. He didn't spin events, he didn't edit them to suit his own needs, he didn't lie in his descriptions, he just worked on the premise of "here is an event, I show it to you as it was, I let you draw your own conclusions." It's subtle but powerful and important difference.
I realize that this is old school, but all the great correspondents, including Margaret Bourke-White, Walter Cronkite, Henri Cartier-Bresson and William Shirer somehow managed to tell the story without being whores to their own half-baked pet philosophies.
As jumjum said, too often people only find truth where they want to. Maybe the ability to transcend that is what makes a truly great reporter; any dumbshit with a jungle jacket, a laptop and an opinion can call himself a journalist. A true journalist, however, should have the integrity to say when something is his opinion, and stand by it, à la Edward R. Murrow. That I can respect
Most of the cheap hacks passing themselves off as correspondents today, no matter what their views, lack the intellect, education and courage to report what they see as they see it and to give their readers/listeners/viewers the credit to make their own decisions. For me, that sort of arrogant paternalism is reprehensible and treasonous to the trust of the public, and Fisk, like Fox news and many others on the presses and airwaves, is no exception.
It takes a certain kind of personal courage to consume a piece of news that makes you angry or is diametrically opposed to your own political beliefs, but most people, sorry to say, do not bother to have the education or curiosity to accept this.
Ive always viewed reporting with scepticism. I run on the assumption that the story always has some kind of spin on it, depending where its coming from. None the less its always got spin. I just try to pick out the "facts" and then draw my own conclusions. I certainly have never been influenced in my beliefs by the media. I would say the largest/worst twisting of journalism is the reporting we dont get. The stuff hidden from the general masses, censored out, etc. The good news is;...The internet is making it much harder for groups with agendas to lie to the world about things.
That, and it just occurred to me that, even if the information is completely biased, wrong and misguided, it wouldn't bother me so much if the delivery weren't so goddamm amateurish.
I mean, some of these people write and speak like high school dropouts, for god's sake.
As for the Internet, look up signal-to-noise ratio. It's low, man. Really low. And when people start quoting littlegreenfootballs, freerepublic, moveon and indynews as authoritative sources of information...."I read it on teh internets so it must be true!!11"
Real-BadSeed;3686720...The good news is;...The internet is making it much harder for groups with agendas to lie to the world about things.
Bullseye! That's the absolute truth. What we're seeing more of now is the media members' own biases and attempts to spin and spike stories is being revealed. The dinosaur "legacy media" still isn't catching on that they're breathing their last. Certainly by the time the boomers die out, but maybe as soon as the next five or ten years, the monolithic nature of the news media will be gone forever. No longer will an AP or New York Times dictate what the "news" is, or control how it is covered and reported.
And I say that's good all around. But you'v e still got to use judgment about sources of news; it's just that biases are usually more transparent on the net, which is fine. I don't demand sterile news, I just want biases and perspective admitted up front.