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Lobo

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#211 12 years ago
Fuzzy Bunny;3686700stuff about Capa

You know about everything but about Robert capa you have not damn idea, search some information, I don't want to give you a masterclass now




Coca-Cola

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#212 12 years ago
Kruder;3684337You misquoted it btw,

I told you to stop making me laugh with your errors. I simplified it to show only the funny parts.




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#213 12 years ago
Lobo;3686776You know about everything but about Robert capa you have not damn idea, search some information, I don't want to give you a masterclass now

I'm very well informed about Robert Capa, thank you, including about his political beliefs.

I now ask you:

Does this photo capa_big_pic1.jpg need a caption explaining why the Nationalists are bad guys and this poor dude and fighting for freedom and stuff and bla and bla bla?

Does this one? capa2.jpg

This one? omaha-beach-robert-capa.jpg

In case you didn't figure it out, the answer in ALL THREE CASES is "no". They don't need a big explanation. The picture tells the story. Do you understand how this relates here? Do you understand how this is important to the idea of unbiased journalism? You, a photographer, should know the power of a picture, and that if the picture is good, it doesn't need propaganda or bullshit or manipulation to get the message across.

You're so smart, I challenge you to go through my statement and tell me exactly where I said _anything_ that is incorrect. Robert Capa was a great artist and correspondent. That he was a leftist is irrelevant to this. And if you are only willing to accept the power of his photos because of his political beliefs, then there's no use in arguing with you because you're completely missing the point.




Lobo

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#214 12 years ago

You didn't get it

no, the political beliefs of a photojournalist doesn't bother me, basically because there is no good photojournalist in XX century with right wing ideas (I dare to find you half a dozen), all of them were left wing dudes, because if you witness the problems of people you become a left wing dude, if you have soul and feelings.

Capa was MILITANTLY antifascist, he ALWAYS chose side, being in Spain, in WW2, Israel, french meetings of local politics, wherever, and did offer his camera as another weapon to fight against fascism, unbiasing for persons like him was simply imposible, he was a visionary with ethics, take side or leave the arena for history-tellers with a point of view about world. Don't force me to explain you the ABC of photography, working with the pure reality in front of you, you can express perfectly your opinion about anything (hence, to be biased), just an example amongst millions: Miss Lenny Riefenstahl, and how she portraited monsters like they were gods. I bet if Capa had been allowed to cover the same goose parades he had taken completly diferent pictures.

First pic: I am sure you know the polemic about it, nobody will know the truth ever, but imo it could be perfectly posed and this fits exactly in the idea I am trying to explain you, Capa was fighting against fascism, with all tools at hand, and some half truths are kosher when you are walking across the Valley of Shadows of Death and must keep going

"Robert Capa, a biography", Richard Whelan, a great reading (only book I have read in english)...read it, if after don't understand what I am telling, well, read it again

Marvellous example of biasing, theme: Alfried Krupp (the big corporation of his family supported nazism in war, guilty of slavery work), photographer: Arnold Newman (one of the best portrait photographers, jewish), attention to the choosen background, wide angle lens, angle of the camera (from top to bottom) and illumination...Krupp sued him :lol:

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#215 12 years ago
Lobo;3687079 Capa was MILITANTLY antifascist, he ALWAYS chose side, being in Spain, in WW2, Israel, french meetings of local politics, wherever, and did offer his camera as another weapon to fight against fascism, unbiasing for persons like him was simply imposible, he was a visionary with ethics, take side or leave the arena for history-tellers with a point of view about world.

That's fine. Let's assume Riefenstahl and Capa had both covered the 1934 Nuremberg rally. I don't believe Riefenstahl was a fascist, by the way, simply that she was apolitical and opportunistic. So, that said, do you believe the pictures would have been any different?

I don't. Capa would have taken those pictures to show the sinister side of nazism. Riefenstahl took them to show the goose-stepping glory of organized militarism. If you give Triumph des Willens to a neo-nazi to watch, he will get cold shudders. If you give it to, say, me, someone who really doesn't like nazis very much, I'll also get cold shudders, but for a different reasons. From the same images. Is this sinking in?

The camera and the pen can be used as weapons, but if you have a point to make, the context you present a message in and the audience you present it to are vastly more important than the way you spin the message.

First pic: I am sure you know the polemic about it, nobody will know the truth ever, but imo it could be perfectly posed and this fits exactly in the idea I am trying to explain you, Capa was fighting against fascism, with all tools at hand, and some half truths are kosher when you are walking across the Valley of Shadows of Death and must keep going

It was my understanding that several fairly academically very serious and renowned and grey-bearded and wise photo-analysis groups had decided that it was real, and that this picture was accepted as authentic today. That is why I didn't mention the dispute. Maybe it was a bad example. Remember this one?

Vietnam_girl_napalm.jpg

Now, you try and convince me that this reflects Alan Downes' political bias. Maybe he was anti-war, I don't care, it doesn't matter. Something bad happened, he took a picture of it, picture went around the world. Do you think Eddie Adams was saying "HERE, LISTEN TO MY PROPAGANDA" when he took that photo of the Saigon police chief shooting the Viet Cong? Dorothea Lange with her dust bowl photos? Not really.

Again, my point about context: if you had presented the dying soldier photograph in nazi Germany in 1939 or so, it would have been interpreted as "COOL, WE GOT ONE OF THE FUCKERS, LOOKIT'IM GO DOWN."

I am well aware that Capa was as militantly left wing as you say. However, he was good enough and skilled enough to realize that he did not have to spin his product to get the message across. He presented it and said, "here, you judge for yourselves." I don't know about you, I get the message a lot better without unnecessary commentary from the author.

Starting to make sense?




Kruder

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#216 12 years ago

Coca-Cola;3686989I told you to stop making me laugh with your errors. I simplified it to show only the funny parts.[/QUOTE]

Why would i give a fuck about your laughing,as long as you dont have any opinion stated in a post. facts based on proof bullshit based on ass you should try harder And TR stands for Turkish Republic.

I dont claim my english is perfect. And [QUOTE=Kruder;3682819]I think it is now time make sarcasm out of my english or typos,what next i wonder,i mean how low can you go...

You keep proving me right :) thx for the support.




Stefan F

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#217 12 years ago

cant we just bash fox news , it was alot more fun .




Fuzzy Bunny

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#218 12 years ago
Stefan F;3688378cant we just bash fox news , it was alot more fun .

It's kind of simplistic, wouldn't you agree? Like making fun of retarded kindergartners.




The Last Unknown Soldier

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#219 12 years ago

funny article of the modern day coverage of the D-Day landings goes to show how F*#!ed up the liberals, democrats, and biased reporters are [SIZE=-1]June 6, 1944. - NORMANDY - Three hundred French civilians were killed and thousands more wounded today in the first hours of America's invasion of continental Europe. Casualties were heaviest among women and children. Most of the French casualties were the result of artillery fire from American ships attempting to knock out German fortifications prior to the landing of hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops. Reports from a makeshift hospital in the French town of St. Mere Eglise said the carnage was far worse than the French had anticipated and reaction against the American invasion was running high. "We are dying for no reason," said a Frenchman speaking on condition of anonymity. "Americans can't even shoot straight. I never thought I'd say this, but life was better under Adolf Hitler." The invasion also caused severe environmental damage. American troops, tanks, trucks and machinery destroyed miles of pristine shoreline and thousands of acres of ecologically sensitive wetlands. It was believed that the habitat of the spineless French crab was completely wiped out, threatening the species with extinction. A representative of Greenpeace said his organization, which had tried to stall the invasion for over a year, was appalled at the destruction, but not surprised. "This is just another example of how the military destroys the environment without a second thought, " said Christine Moanmore. "And it's all about corporate greed." Contacted at his Manhattan condo, a member of the French government-in-exile who abandoned Paris when Hitler invaded said the invasion was based solely on American financial interests. "Everyone knows the President Roosevelt has ties to big beer," said Pierre LeWimp. "Once the German beer industry is conquered, Roosevelt's beer cronies will control the world market and make a fortune." Administration supporters said America's aggressive actions were based in part on the assertions of controversial scientist Albert Einstein, who sent a letter to Roosevelt speculating that the Germans were developing a secret weapon, a so-called "atomic bomb." Such a weapon could produce casualties on a scale never seen before and cause environmental damage that could last for thousands of years. Hitler has denied having such a weapon and international inspectors were unable to locate such weapons even after spending two long weekends in Germany. Shortly after the invasion began reports surfaced that German prisoners had been abused by Americans. Mistreatment of Jews by Germans at so-called "concentration camps" has been rumored but so far, remains unproven. Several thousand Americans died during the first hours of the invasion and French officials are concerned that uncollected corpses pose a public health risk. "The Americans should have planned for this in advance," they said. "It's their mess and we don't intend to clean it up."[/SIZE] Support our troops u facist cowards (AKA Liberals)




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#220 12 years ago

...and there goes years of attempts at rational argumentation down the toilet, thanks to copy-and-paste courtesy of your friends at freerepublic.com.

Sigh.