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Fuzzy Bunny

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#1 12 years ago

Today's issue of Fuzzy's WWII complete-waste-of-time-on-peripheral-weapons-and-phaenomena is a short one, as I just got back from a llama (!) trek, and am dead tired and hung like a christmas tree with llama hair. No, they were nice llamas and don't spit.

The Inland Manufacturing Division of the GM Corporation in Dayton OH (or the Guide Lamp Division, depending on sources) developed the FP-45 Liberator pistol for the US army in 1942. According to 2-3 sources on discussion boards I've seen (can't verify), they did not know they were producing a gun at the time--this was the same outfit that was given the M3 "Grease Gun" contract shortly aftewards.

Designed to be distributed to resistance forces as a "gun to get another gun", about a million were produced and turned over to the OSS, although very few actually ended up in the hands of partisans, except in China and the Philippines. Part of the whole point of the thing was to scare occupying troops into thinking that any average Joe might be packing one. They are quite rare and pricey today.

Assembled from 23 parts at a cost of $2.10 per unit, it was apparently possible to produce one of these things faster than loading and firing it (source: Wikipedia, so grain of salt as usual.) Caliber was .45 (same as Thompson and M1911), and the barrel was unrifled, so the single-shot weapon wasn't terribly accurate. Once fired, the back of the pistol was pulled open, and a wooden stick (!) was used to poke out the empty shell casing.

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More links:

http://home.pacbell.net/rlhag65/liber.htm http://www.adrax.com/watsons/lib.htm




Gauntlet

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#2 12 years ago

yeah, the Liberator is c00l.

Do you have any sources stating if these weapons did actually kill an enemy soldier?




oscar989

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#3 12 years ago

I don't even think my hand could hold a gun that small.




stiner

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#4 12 years ago

hehe it looks like a toy bunny from the 1950s, hehe i bet it would still blow someone away :lol::beer:




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#5 12 years ago

:lol: You could stash that in your sock, screw the ankle holster. In the 1800's they had a one shot pistol pea shooter, usually carried by woman in their bra.


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Wooly_Bully

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#6 12 years ago
-SpArKs-:lol: You could stash that in your sock, screw the ankle holster. In the 1800's they had a one shot pistol pea shooter, usually carried by woman in their bra.

Always wondered why boobs are sometimes called "Guns" :nodding: .




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#7 12 years ago

It wasn't really disposable and it could be reloaded just took a while. They were made that way so they wouldn't be use by the Axis against the Allies. According to the History Channel French resistance would sneak up on German soldiers at night and waste them with the Liberator. But for every German soldier killed by the resistance the Wehrmacht would seek reprisals from the French civilians. I carry a Colt Defender with me almost every where I go because its small, light, and .45 caliber.




Fuzzy Bunny

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#8 12 years ago
AnAceIt wasn't really disposable and it could be reloaded just took a while. They were made that way so they wouldn't be use by the Axis against the Allies. According to the History Channel French resistance would sneak up on German soldiers at night and waste them with the Liberator.

I don't think that man of them were actually distributed. The main point really was the propaganda effect; to scare the crap out of German soldiers by making them think that the Americans could afford to dump hundreds of thousands of throw-away pistols all over Europe, basically creating an instant guerilla army.

As for disposable, any weapon is disposable if it helps you get a better weapon. If you had a choice between that piece of junk and a Luger you took off the officer you just plugged with it, what would you take?




Seth_Soldier

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#9 12 years ago

The main problem was that the americans gvt didn't want to give too many weapons to the french resistance because they were frightened by the fact that the french resistance was a greatly formed with communist partisans. So consequently few handweapons and no heavy equipment have been afford by usa contrary to britains which completely supported resistance (french resistance have got double nationality british/french to stay under geneva law, planes have been dedicaced for those mission etc ...)

Bren was more common i think !

As for disposable, any weapon is disposable if it helps you get a better weapon. If you had a choice between that piece of junk and a Luger you took off the officer you just plugged with it, what would you take?

For each officer, german was taking about 20 people (men over 15 years old) and if the resistant don't declare himself prisonner, the hostages are executed. (that happened more out of a city, in the rural area rather in big city like paris where too many execution could provock riots)




Fuzzy Bunny

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#10 12 years ago
Seth_Soldier So consequently few handweapons and no heavy equipment have been afford by usa contrary to britains which completely supported resistance (french resistance have got double nationality british/french to stay under geneva law, planes have been dedicaced for those mission etc ...)

A larger part was far more mundane--thanks to the Empire, the British had access to far more men trained in foreign languages and customs; this is why they had people in Greece, France, Yugoslavia, N. Africa, wherever--the US had a much more isolationist culture in the 1920s and 1930s and thus simply didn't really have the means so much to deal with local partisans. Remember also that soldiers from many countries fled to England after 1939; the French government in exile was based in London and helped form and support the FFI/Maquis. So much closer relations there than the Americans; the "afraid of communists" argument isn't so strong, as quite a lot of support was given to both Ho Chi Minh and Mao Tse Tung, simply because the US presence in East Asia was much stronger than that of the British.

For each officer, german was taking about 20 people (men over 15 years old) and if the resistant don't declare himself prisonner, the hostages are executed. (that happened more out of a city, in the rural area rather in big city like paris where too many execution could provock riots)

I've seen quite a few monuments to resistance fighters and their families, friends, dogs, whatever, killed as revenge by the nazis. And as we know, that worked out really well, and helped the Germans completely scare all the Maquis into giving up...