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jumjum

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#1 12 years ago

We've got a little issue here. Mr Lobo has used his dev hammer to protect speech he likes, and censor that he doesn't. I've never had a problem with Lobo. In fact, I've supported him on several occasions on several issues. But apparently I've said something at some time that Lobo didn't like, and he's decided I'm to be censored.

What is this about? In the "After Africa" thread in Gen Dis, IcarianVX made this comment:

I am a US player and I like ALL fronts. Doesn't matter. Not all of us are arrogant pricks like our president.

My take was, as I assumed anybody else's would have been, that this was a gratuitously insulting political comment better left for Off-Topic. And I posted to that effect. Not, "How dare you!", Not "Shut Up!", Not, "You %#%%@! asshole!", not anything except what has always been the rule around here: that stuff belongs in Off-Top. Gen'l Knight posted about the same thing. End of story I thought. But no.

Then came this from Lobo:

jumjum and everybody, stay on topic, all your posts erased

Huh? My comment was erased? I could see IcarianVX's being shifted, maybe even erased, but mine? It said not one thing political, didn't even disagree with the guy.

And then Lobo sent Gen'l Knight this sweet little pm "explaining":

The FH general discussion subforum is to discuss about FH, not to defend Junior, the speech freedom of that guy allows him to say whatever he wants about Junior, but to start a stupid polithical discussion about the issue is clearly Off-Topic and will lead to troubles, now go back to work and let me the admin work ;)

WTF? Am I the one taking crazy pills? That one fired me up. So I posted this in "After Africa":

jumjum stay on topic? jumjum stay on topic? It was jumjum defending the rules around here when the mods were asleep. As did Gen'l Knight. And for that you censor us? Censor us? After IcarianVX made a silly, gratuitous and inflammatory politcal comment. And you leave IcarianVX's comment up? What hypocrisy.

What this is about, folks, is that jumjum and Gen'l Knight made posts pointing out that IcarianVX's post, above, contained gratuitous polititical comment that was offensive to some members, and was more appropriate for Off Topic. We didn't yea or nay anything, just pointed out it was silly to put that in Gen Dis. Sound okay to you? Did to me. I thought that was FH law. I'd seen it applied several times before.

But apparently there is an exception: if Lobo likes and agrees with the political comment, then everything is okay. Then it's the off-topic insult that remains, and the people who ask it to be sent to Off Topic who are censored. Here's the text of Lobo;s message to Gen'l Knight "explaining" why his post (and mine) was deleted: [here I quoted Lobo's pm] Wow. That's fairly open bias in my book: applying the rules to suit your politics.

This whole thing is the creation of someone who broke forum rules, and you applaud and support him, and punish those who would seek to enforce the rules. But by twisting the rule to suit you, now anyone can say the grossest political insult they wish. That's exacty what you've said above. Gee, I wonder what I can come up with about Spain now that this new rule is in effect? Or are the rules only what you say they are? Or do they only apply on Tuesday's and Saturdays? Or is it only the "correct-thinking" people, the ideologically reliable ones, the ones with whom you agree who have the rules go in their favor? That's what it looks from here.

You're wrong, Lobo. Dead wrong. I hope you are wise enough to see why, and man enough to correct your error.

Which lasted all of two minutes before it was sent down the memory hole . So I reposted ( I figured a guy who is willing to bend rules is also willing to shut up any criticism, so I copied my post before I had sent it. Good thing.) And I added this:

If a mod or dev has a problem with this, PM me. Where the hell were you earlier? PM me, don't anonymously censor me yet again. Censorship never works, and I'm not letting this die.

And I got this love note from Lobo, pm:

Stop now, I warn you.

If you don't like his opinion go to another forum out of FH GENERAL DISCUSSION (and FH forums, BTW) to start a crusade against him, the only content of your post was flame him for his opinion, hence I deleted your post and the other related off-topic posts because it was leading to troubles and angry discussions and I don't want that here.

Note that I have not posted publicly that I think Mr.Bush is a fucking retarded so don't tell me I abuse the admin power, capisce?, good move from you and Mr Gen'l Knight, the next time some dude posts pics of Bush as Hitler I will be not so kind of lock the thread and just edit the insults of Gen'l Knight, I will keep the thread locked so we can have fun with that moron of Junior and will write a moderator to read the insults of Gen'l Knight and ban him.

I am the crazy one? Does Lobo not understand what he's done or what he's saying? I'm not the one who made any politcal comment. I'm not censoring anyone: I just suggested his stuff go in Off-Topic. But apparently Lobo has figured out somehow that I'm to be censored.

This needs to get aired. Something is really wrong here. If it can happen to me and Gen'l Knight, it can happen to you. And regardless of politics, I hope there are enough principled people here who see the inconsistency, bias and unfairness of Lobo's actions.




stylie

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#2 12 years ago

This too will be deleted Im afraid. Ive experienced it as well.




Gauntlet

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#3 12 years ago

What is the point of this thread? To get supporters for a crusade against Lobo...?

The moderators and admins are in charge and can do pretty much whatever they want, and we will just have to respect that.

Most moderators hates backseat-modding...




Lupin

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#4 12 years ago

Uh oh.




jumjum

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#5 12 years ago

The point is not to "get" anybody. If you see any discrepancy in what the rules are and how they've been applied in this matter, then you get the point. If you don't, fine.




IcarianVX

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#6 12 years ago

My post got deleted too. My remarks was inflammatory, yes. Sorry about that. Unfortunately the President of the United States represents us to foreign countries. Diabolos probably used his interpretation of President Bush to lump all Americans in the "we won WWII for everyone" and it pissed me off. Again, sorry for the inflammatory remark. It was off topic and uncalled for.

As far as this thread goes, it probably will be deleted. But, it won't be because of free speech, it will be because you are sharing PMs from the mods to you. I, personally, don't think that is a good idea.




Lobo

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#7 12 years ago

You don't know when stop.

Step by step:

1. One guy says we will add americans because if not american players will not play the mod.

2. Then Icarius, an american guy posts that (free speech), nothing really serius because Junior can nuke us if he wants, I don't think he needs your help, but you decided to start a crusade

3. Then I erase your post and the other posts because YOU was starting an off-topic polithical discussion in FH general discussion that was leading to troubles, the Icarius post was not erased because he didn't flamed any member of the board, just Junior. I think you have the skin very thin to hear comments about Junior, but thick when you see the corpses of kids on TV killed by his retarded polithic.

4. You and Gen'l Knight have posted private messages from me, I will not forget this, thanks

5. To appease the conservative 45 years old babies I have erased the Icarius post, even if I think is unfair, and told you to stop and let it be.

6. But no, you decided to go on, good work, one day I will be tired of childiss bullshit and FH will need to search other dev to substitute me. You are working very hard to get this, I tell you

7. This locked but not erased, because I can't babysitt the forum all night long, maybe this will be enough for you, very mature guys, really mature, tomorrow the moderators will study the case

8. In advance I will work and don't speak about the mod publicly, it looks some dudes receive one hand and then request the whole arm, thanks again.




GunsOfBrixton29

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#8 12 years ago

You guys need to find something better to do with your time rather than worry about being censored on some forums.




Lobo

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#9 12 years ago

No, why lock it?, what the hell I am saying?, I am the anarKist, free speech for crusaders, shoot me, no worries




stylie

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#10 12 years ago

:riles: