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Wooly_Bully

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#31 10 years ago

I've always been kinda puzzled with the US having the draft, isn't the concept of forcing citizens into military service some what unconstitutional? At least in spirit?

Anywho, I somewhat agree with you JumJum about military service.

I can't help but wonder what effect conscription would have in the UK, what with many young people being involved with gang, knife and other types of crime. Theres also the tension felt between people of different faiths and races that help make up 'multi cultural' Britain. Would the structured discipline and routine life in the military help set young would be criminals on the right path and would having people of all faiths and races going through the tough experience together help bring a sense of unity?

I also wonder if more people experiencing the undemocratic world of the military will give them a greater appreciation for the democratic system in civilian life and be less apathetic about the violation of they're democratic rights by moronic politicians.

Although I cant in any way take the moral high road in that argument since I'm 21 and I have yet to vote due to general apathy towards politics.

One last thought, if Britain was to bring back military service I think our armed forces would need to change its role to one of defense force and only become involved overseas in peace keeping or conflicts like Iraq/Afghanistan if the people of the country gave their consent.

I can't help but feel my whole post seems terribly naive about the effects of a military on society....

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#32 10 years ago
jumjum;4945869 "Forced labour camp"? Ouch! But I think mandatory civilian service is an excellent idea. I'd set it up at a 2-year commitment to the military, or a 4-year commitment to a modern Civilian Conservation Corps or the like. Hey, the risk of getting killed has to be worth something, so I 'd have the civilians serve more time. It would do more for our country than just about anything else. Except that in the current administration I have no confidence that it would be anything but another corrupt bureaucratic boondoggle, seen by the political class as one more opportunity to loot the public treasury.

That is more or less how it works in Germany although you don't have to serve that long in either service and there are some ways to get around it altogether. What I don't like about the whole thing is that after a while the people who employ "civies" (as those performing civilian service are called here) grow dependant on them due to the low wages (in my times it was less than a Mark per hour, half of which is paid by the state).

Besides, if you have tax rates as high as we do here there isn't really much of an incentive to "give back" to the country. The social aspect and the fun I had was probably all that kept me from doing a half-assed job, which wouldn't be good at all since service plays an important role in many of the jobs that civies perform.




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#33 10 years ago

well the military isnt a social institution nor a re education camp, they cant fix what has gone wrong in their upbringing be it the parents or society's fault, the military uses the draft to teach kids the basics of being a soldier while being less harsh on them compared to someone who is joining voluntarely. Most dont look forward to the draft cause its forced upon them, but many but not all of course leave with an experience for life. But i understand military service isnt for everyone, for which the german system is good where you can choose to work as a medic etc in civilian life. Biggest problem is of course when you get drafted and have to go to war for political reasons instead of defending your country, you can go to war and get killed or be a "deserter" and go to jail for 5 years , pretty tough choice for someone who is 18 years old.




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#34 10 years ago

Always liked our adverts, I think the commando ones are the best.




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#35 10 years ago

Didn't the Royal Marines use the recruiting slogan "99% need not apply" at one time?

I mean, that's got to be one of the all-time stupid moments in advertising.




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#36 10 years ago

'[WDWMegaraptor;4947607']Didn't the Royal Marines use the recruiting slogan "99% need not apply" at one time?

I mean, that's got to be one of the all-time stupid moments in advertising.

It was only for the Royal Commandos.

And well, opposite to what you think it rather incourages only the best to join. Some people like to prove adverts wrong, you don't want some weak sap joining the Royal commandos because they have a reputation to uphold.