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jumjum

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#1 11 years ago

It seems that in the UK a black guy was wounded by a (white?) guy using some kind of Anton Chigurh gas-powered ball-bearing gun for wearing an Obama t-shirt. Man shot three times by racist gunman - for wearing Barack Obama T-shirt | Mail Online

Incredible....if that is what happened. Maybe it's my long years of dealing with violent crime and claims of how injuries occurred, but I'm a little leery of this story. My instincts and experience tell me there's more to this story than what the victim reports. If it was a US incident I would probably call bs on it immediately. But I don't know the day-to-day in the UK, so maybe you can get shot there for just wearing a t-shirt. Even in the worst most racist parts of the US people don't get shot for simply wearing a t-shirt. They might get shot for being an asshole and just incidentally wearing a t-shirt, but not the t-shirt alone.

What has my antenna tingling here is the unlikely nature of the out-and-out racist violence (again, I must discount this because yob violence seems more of a more likely in the UK). Also, the assailant made a formal racist challenge, "I hate %##^#^%!!". Seems kind of dramatic. And if I read it rigth, the attack was becasue the wearer was black, not actually becasue he wore an Obama t-shirt.

Also the assailant kept following the victim, even to the man's car, who claims he was trying to drive away when he was shot. Finally, there are no disinterested witnesses reprting, just the victim. That's unusual.

Just a hunch, but I think we're going to find there was something else going on here. Many times people have to come up with an explanation for how they were injured or lost something. The classic example is from guys who get rolled while cavorting with hookers - their story, every time, is that an unknown woman hopped into their car, without being invited, at a stop light, and pulled a gun and took the wallet.*

I'm thinking this guy had to come up with something other than the truth to explain his wounds to his wife or SO. My money is on a outside girlfriend...or boyfriend...who is tired of being in the shadows.

Stay tuned.

*Sometimes an asshat comes in and acts like the outraged good citizen, and demands immediate police action to protect honest men like him from robbery by roving bands of female robbers in slutwear. The cops know better. If the guy is a real dick about it, the cops will play with him. They'll tell the outraged paragon of virtue that they have to check him for signs of recent sexual contact, since so many guys try to lie about the exact circumstances of the robbery. It's still a robbery they say, but when the citizens lie about not being with the hooker it can hurt the case at trial.

So the cops will grab an evidence-collecting bottle and tweezers, pull out the latex gloves and say they have to take a pubic hair sample. They'll give a story that they can now test the sample for the presence of semen, foreign saliva, "vaginal mucosa" (known in the street as 'pussy juice'), foreign pubic hair, etc., or some other bs, for a period of the past 12 hours, even after vigorous washing, even shaving, and with 100% accuracy can tell if someone has had sexual contact. When the cops play this game, even if the asshats at first try to dodge the test, they will always, ALWAYS, eventually come up with some reason that the instrument will show they had sex...but that there's an innocent explanation unrelated to a robbery-by-hooker. Such as, after the robbery and before they came to the police dept., they stopped off at home and ripped off a quickie from the wife/gf; or he and the wife are trying to get pregnant, and he just came from the fertility clinic where he left a semen sample; or he got so excited by the phantom hooker that even though she hopped in his car against his will and robbed him, he had an involuntary ejaculation. Usually they break down and admit they got rolled, and the cops tell them they can still make a case, but that fact will have to come out in court. Most victims just let it go and tell the wife some other story.




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#2 11 years ago

I had a run in with one of those sluts in slut wear... All she kept saying while raping me was... You shouldnt wear that tank top with those shorts!!! Its YOUR fault Im doing this!




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#3 11 years ago

To be quite honest, there are some twisted minds in the UK, and I don't mean twisted in the dark way, I mean mentally ill. Getting a gas BB gun was not hard until recently, so a few screwheads have them. I would not be surprised if this was in fact just a completely random nutjob taking a dislike to this guy for some random reason and deciding to shoot him.




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#4 11 years ago

Jum you are leaving out a key factor here, the source. You can rarely learn about this sort of event from a newspaper article. Their main goal in this situation is to write the story in such a way that it really seems like a man is biting a dog. The failure to interview the store clerk who would have seen this is probably laziness on the part of the journalist. For my part when I read his description of choleric rage by the assailant, it sounds like a coke-head who went bizerk.




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#5 11 years ago

Source? You mean The Daily Mail? Is that like National Enquirer as far as credibility? (Although the NE did break John Edwards' outside family story.)




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#6 11 years ago

Actually I mean any newspaper when it comes to a story like this, where the main appeal is shock value. Man accosted by coke head is not news. Black man attacked for wearing Obama t-shirt IS news. (sort of)




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#7 11 years ago

There is a high level of white supremacist/racist/skinhead activity in the UK, and in Europe generally. There is a strong presence of these types in both France and Germany, in reaction to large numbers of "foreigners" coming into the country and taking low-paying jobs. (sound familiar?) I read recently there's quite a bit of such activity in the old Soviet-bloc countries as well, fueled by resurgent nationalism. Never pretty. There are more of these groups in the US than you would think, as a police officer I get the intelligence bulletins relating to these groups' activities.




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#8 11 years ago

While any story like this is going to get spun some way or another by any paper, the Daily Mail IS a very spin-based paper and will go to ANY lengths to indicate that Britain is 'broken' (a popular phrase at the moment used by people who want to convince you to vote Conservative).




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#9 11 years ago

I Googled the victim and I found some blog entries but no other news media stories. Maybe I overlooked something, but it seems to me there should be more play of this story.




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#10 11 years ago

To be honest, that's unsurprising. If it had been a real gun, sure, but as the guy is alive and fit enough to tell his tale it's surprising it got past regional news level. People get shot by air guns/BB weapons a lot for the reasons stated above.




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