Has anyone noticed poor small arms effects in UK vid/movie productions? -1 reply

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jumjum

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#1 12 years ago

This may be completely random, but I have no way of finding out and wonder whether some of our buds across the waves may know something about this. I had referred in a souinds-thread in Gen Dis to weak and underpowered small-arms effects used in Band of Brothers. If you'll recall, EVERY pistol, rifle, smg and mg is extremely low decibel and extremely low recoil in BoB (the only flaw in a wonderful producton IMO). For some reason I'm under the impression that a good deal of BoB was shot in UK. If so, I assume they used locally acquired props and blank munitions.

I remember as well that a recent UK movie called The Bunker also had extremely weak and under-powered small-arms effexts. In the comments on that DVD, the UK director commented on the exorbitant price of UK blank munitions.

So, why were BoB small-arms effects so very poor and unrealistic? Did it have something to do with production standards in the UK? It would seem money was no object in the BoB production, so I can't understand why thay made the wepaons sound and recoil like popguns.




oscar989

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#2 12 years ago
jumjumThis may be completely random, but I have no way of finding out and wonder whether some of our buds across the waves may know something about this. I had referred in a souinds-thread in Gen Dis to weak and underpowered small-arms effects used in Band of Brothers. If you'll recall, EVERY pistol, rifle, smg and mg is extremely low decibel and extremely low recoil in BoB (the only flaw in a wonderful producton IMO). For some reason I'm under the impression that a good deal of BoB was shot in UK. If so, I assume they used locally acquired props and blank munitions. I remember as well that a recent UK movie called The Bunker also had extremely weak and under-powered small-arms effexts. In the comments on that DVD, the UK director commented on the exorbitant price of UK blank munitions. So, why were BoB small-arms effects so very poor and unrealistic? Did it have something to do with production standards in the UK? It would seem money was no object in the BoB production, so I can't understand why thay made the wepaons sound and recoil like popguns.

Well the thing is if they used real recoil and small-arms affect, then the whole cast and production crew would go deaf.




Mr_Cheese

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#3 12 years ago

I'm pretty sure re-enactors over here (in the UK) use blanks with something like 1/3 or 1/2 the powder of a live round... presumable films would use the same blanks?




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#4 12 years ago

I have to ask, how would you know about recoil? were you a soldier trained at the time who had some seasoning to firing all of these weapons?




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#5 12 years ago

Well one has to presume and pretty much know that anything that has the stopping power and velocity to kill a human being has to have a signifigant amount of powder contained in the casing. As such it is inevitable that the shooter will experience large recoil.

So jumjum is correct in noticing that the recoil and noise levels produced by these Hollywood weapons are dumbed down. It definitley gives the viewer an unrealistic idea of the power of these weapons.




jumjum

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#6 12 years ago
the_M6D_legendI have to ask, how would you know about recoil? were you a soldier trained at the time who had some seasoning to firing all of these weapons?

Not that you'd have any particular reason, but I don't think you've followed much of anything I've written around here. If you had, I think you'd realize: 1) I'm not a kid; 2) I, generally speaking, usually know what I'm taking about regarding RL small arms weapons, WWII history, events, tactics, etc.

To answer your question (which, whether you meant it or not, has an edge to it, me bucko,) the easiest way to answer it is to merely point to the evening news and grab a clue from any vid of any one of a a hundred firefight clips available in any given month. ANybody can have a rouhg idea of how violently LOUD small arms are RL.

But I guess what you're really after is this, Jack: since I was 8 years old I've trained with, maintained and fired (some extensively, and some in harm's way) everything from .22 cal rimfire's to a .50 cal Barrett,; from bolt-action single-shot to belt-fed and crew-served. That includes 5.56mm, .243, 6.5mm, .270, .280., 7mm Mag., 7.62mm/.308, 7.62mm Short, 7.92/8mm, .30 cal carbine, 30'06, 45-70 and .50 cal., in long arms; and .32, 7.65mm, .380, .357 mag., .38 Spec., 9mm, 10mm, .40, .41 mag, 44 mag, 44 Long Colt, and .45 ACP (a few freaking tens of thousands of rounds thrugh the 1911A1.)

And yes, I know from that personal experience that seems so vastly important to you, exactly how an MP-40, KAR-98, Arisaka, M-1, M-1 carbine, M-3, Springfield, Thompson, Sten, Browning .30 and MG-42, sound, feel, and even smell and taste like (different powder, different tang) when they're fired. Not to mention about a couple of dozen modern-era military weapons of the US, USSR, China, UK and Belgium (can you say "Fabrique Nationale"?).

Some of us here are old enough to have had some extensive life experience. But I don't think a reaonably intelligent person, who if he doesn't already know, cares enough about this silly issue to bother to check it out through the myriad channels available today, really needs ANY personal experience to know the small arms sounds and recoil effects portrayed in BoB were significantly downgraded. IMO about like "wadcutter" target loads for pistols, which are about 1/2 the power of combat rounds. Maybe not even that powerful.

In future, we'll get along much better if you just don't cop a 'tude with me again, okay? Carry on, I'll be in the area.




AussieZaitsev

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#7 12 years ago
Not that you'd have any particular reason, but I don't think you've followed much of anything I've written around here....snip

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#8 12 years ago

I agree with JumJum. Small arms fire are seriously loud, very, very loud.

I live about a mile or so away from a military training ground here in the North West of England. I live on the coast about a half a mile or so from the beach, and seriously, when those guys start firing SA80's and other small arms it echoes for miles. Enough to wake you up in the morning...at about 6:00am.

The bastards.




FactionRecon

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#9 12 years ago

Well hey, that'd sure get you the right mood to go play some war games eh? ;)




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#10 12 years ago

No, why play wargames? Go outside while they are training with their small arms and paintball with your friends.




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