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Von Mudra

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#1 11 years ago

to bring back new life into Offtopic, here is an interesting article:

Chinese Chemicals Flow Unchecked to Market - New York Times

Discuss. I gotta get ready for class tomorrow, so I will post my opinions sometime tomorrow.




Rafterman

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#2 11 years ago

Here's my take. I bought a pirated DVD set in China last time I was there. To get all of the episodes to fit on the disks, they simply chopped off the last five minutes of each one.

Makes one wonder what they do with other things.




jumjum

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#3 11 years ago

China has demonstrated it could give a rat's ass about how many millions could die because of its toxic toys, contaminated food shipments and poisonous medicine. A country where cheating, theft and corruption is a part of the very culture.




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#4 11 years ago

That is disturbing.

I also agree about how much other stuff "slides" through the system and does not meet US or European standards.




Von Mudra

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#5 11 years ago

What I think u guys missed is the point of the discussion:P

Now that I'm up, awake, and in my European Revolutions class, I can better make the topic.

Now yes, it is indeed true that these things are slipping through our controls, and there's not much we can do about it. However, the more pertenant thing is the dependency that the west has made on the Chinese to produce goods, to the point at which the Chinese can do this, and pretty much get away with it.

Notice how many chemicals and such are being found in Chinese made products. Then, notice that the Chinese actions about this is nil, other then executing their health minister. In the end, the Chinese factories do NOT need to run on western health ideals. They are going to cut costs whereever to make a buck, and there is really nothing one can do about it.

What can the western countries do, really? No matter how much we complain and bitch, the Chinese won't care, because we are STILL buying their products, and still outsourcing to their country. The west has also become so dependent on the Chinese that to force sanctions, or refuse to have goods produced there would cause untold harm to the economy of the west.

Also, in a way, the Chinese can blackmail us with our dependency. Tibet, Taiwan, North Korea, their claims in Kashmyr, all can be dealt with by the Chinese with no western defense. Why? Because once again, of our dependency. To go to war would once again, collapse our economies. We have become so dependent on the Chinese as producers for our companies, that they can do ANYTHING they want.

In the end, the fact that the Chinese are pumping dangerous chemicals into goods to be sent to the west shows how dependent we are on this. The companies that were having products produced in China surely knew about this from inspectors, but failed to act upon it, and ignored it. It was only when the newspapers got ahold of the story that they took action.

Ok, now can u discuss:P Jumjum, I know you'll have something to say now;)




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#6 11 years ago

THe thing is... why should they?

With a Market monopoly of 75% share... they export everything really... So, as the worlds providers, a mass economy experiencing a major boom why should they go to guidelines... all other countries need the goods and they're willing toa ccept them at any cost whether it be in money or safety, why? Because everyone was stupid enough to say "Hey! Wal-mart/Asda are selling things extremely cheap from foreign labour! Let's buy there!" So, manufacturing of these goods in first world countries fell, china's control over the market grew and now, our companies can't compete at all thusly they can't enter the market.

So now, ask yourself.... do you go for the cheap option that will break but costs pennies, or do you buy something that's expensive but quality and manufactured around the corner?

Now all china needs to do is wait for them to have an 80% market share... then what?

Drive the prices up by a few thousand percent... why? Because they can, why? Because we never looked to the future and there's nobody else to produce :)

Thusly, in the words of Command & Conquer Generals: China will grow larger!

Of course it's best really for utilitarians since China holds 1/4th of the worlds population, when they become rich, most of the world will be better off...

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This is why Capitalism ALWAYS wins :)




Rafterman

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#7 11 years ago

Well there are ways to stop it, but it requires politicians with backbone who are willing to stand up to China (and also turn down their campaign contributions, ahem, Ms. Clinton) and our own business sector. A 150% tarriff on Chinese made goods would be a start. But you're right, if we go too much further down the road we're on (some might argue we're already there), we won't be able to take this kind of action due to China's manufacturing dominance.

Consumers also have to take a stand. Personally, I go out of my way to find Made in the USA products - even if they cost me more. Personally, I would gladly forgo the $30 Made in China DVD player for a $100 product that was made here. Unfortunately, I'm in a very small minority.




jumjum

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#8 11 years ago

Kill them. Kill them now while we can.




foodmaniac2003

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#9 11 years ago

IIRC only 1% of imported food products are inspected.

I dare you all. Pick up something. Right now. I swear, it's made from another country eh?

I don't believe we should stop importing from China. I do believe in a higher amount of quality control however.




Wasserfaller

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#10 11 years ago
foodmaniac2003;4009191 I dare you all. Pick up something. Right now. I swear, it's made from another country eh?

Dammit, i picked up my mouse....made in china.




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