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#1 12 years ago

Someone sent me a link through MSN to show me the Battlefield 2100 trailer the other day. I tried to ignore him by not awnsering but, since the trailer was on uTube and I didn' t know yet it was that trailer, I clicked on it. The graphic looks good even though my computer will never be able to (or will never want to) run it, but the thing I don' t understand is: why the hell should we built mech warriors with feet in the future? The wheel makes a vehicle much faster plus more stable. I can imagine a rocket hitting one of those mech warriors: rocket hits, mech falls down, tries to get up but can' t becouse it' s like a turtle who can' t get up again after falling on his back, enemy laughs. Why o why? At least it should be a tripod!




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#2 12 years ago

Because they look great!




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#3 12 years ago

Blame warhammer. :p They have all this "cool" futuristic designs that look good but aren't very effective. For a front line robot you want something robust, something that keeps on going even if you manage to blow part of it such as a wheel, feet or what not.

Human like robots are very usefull aswell (asuming they are just as stable) but at the very least they also should be able to get on their feet again when the fall over, this would atleast require hands or something that is capable of performing this task. Can't see them on those mechs. But as already said, you want a true fighter, something like a cheetah for fast moving vehicles (recon and suicide vehicles), and elephant like vehicles as your tanks. They won't topple over easily, if they miss a leg they can still keep on going (be it less effectively though) and if the mechanics work like hands and legs they might even get upright again incase they do topple over.

I blame warhammer40k. :p




roterschnee

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#4 12 years ago

40k? GW copied it from Battletech, who copied it from Macross ;)




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#5 12 years ago

There have been combat mech schools of thought since the 1960s. The optimal combination would be a 6-legged one, which _is_ feasible, and is capable of traversing obstacles (swamps, streams, forests, rocks, etc.) that a wheeled or tracked vehicle can't.

There are several civilian implementations of this idea; I recently saw a documentary about a German forest service that uses a legged "mech" to harvest trees in dense forestation without chewing up the ground the way a tracked vehicle would, or requiring roads like a wheeled vehicle. They showed very nicely how they were able to get through forested areas that even a tracked bulldozer had no chance in.

Except for the higher profile, a legged vehicle needn't be more vulnerable than a tracked tank, whose tracks are always going to be a weak spot. Make the legs buff and armored enough and put all weak components inside (wires, ducts, etc.) and you're on.

If I'm motivated later, I'll find some pics of various designs and a prototype I've seen online.

Also, never underestimate the ingenuity of the guys at DARPA. Basically, what the US Dept. of Defense does is give fairly bright academics, engineers, whatever, a tenure of something like 2 years, a fairly liberal budget, and a ton of resources, and says "hey, design some crazy shit." Past accomplishments include the Internet and more recently the DARPA challenge, but also things like self-healing minefields (i.e. mines communicate and bounce around to rearrange themselves when someone clears a path) and various forms of combat robots.




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#6 12 years ago

Why you ask? Because mechs will be here sooner than you think.:eek: http://www.mechaps.com/




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#7 12 years ago

Well, you can answer this by looking at nature really. How many animals do you know which have wheels? None - because wheels limit you to flat horizontal terrain, while with legs you can pretty much walk and climb everywhere.

Of course you'd need a wide array of sensors and a delicate balancing mechanism for this to work. So the "mech warriors" are pretty much useless.




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#8 12 years ago

Well, IMO, if Star Wars ever thought us anything is that even an Ewok could destroy a walker...

P.S. Can snakes climb?

EDIT: Here' s another anima with wheel!

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#9 12 years ago

LIGHTNING[NL]Well, you can answer this by looking at nature really. How many animals do you know which have wheels? None - because wheels limit you to flat horizontal terrain, while with legs you can pretty much walk and climb everywhere.

Of course you'd need a wide array of sensors and a delicate balancing mechanism for this to work. So the "mech warriors" are pretty much useless.

pet.jpg Uhhh?? Anyway I Think they looks realy cool hehehe, but yeah There is no use for this complicated leged machine, I also dont think whe will see it in the future. but hey; 2 getlingguns + legs armour plating sure looks realy sexy!




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#10 12 years ago
'LIGHTNING [NL']Of course you'd need a wide array of sensors and a delicate balancing mechanism for this to work. So the "mech warriors" are pretty much useless.

However you're making the assumption that the balancing mechanism and sensors will remain delicate. Compare this to radios during WWI and the solid state miniatures we have nowadays.

Put it this way: in the presence of modern antitank weaponry, even a tracked, heavily protected vehicle is meat. I claim it's possible to armor a set of legs enough to make them proof against all but the same weaponry you'd use to take out a regular tank. Plus, stalky legs are a lot harder to hit than a big fat tank, so you'd be best off hitting the main body of the thing anyway (at which point we're back to the tank.)