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It's Happy Fun Ball!

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#1 10 years ago

Wikipedia just pointed out to me that this is the anniversary of the start of the Battle of Midway, a decisive battle in the strategic direction of WWII. In light of this I thought I would open a discussion by sharing my thoughts. IMHO the Japanese defeat can be laid, almost wholly, at the feet of Admiral Nagumo. After their strategic setback at the Battle of Coral Sea. (They sunk an American fleet carrier at the expense of one light carrier, but were forced to turn back from their invasion of Port Moresby, making it a tactical victory but a strategic defeat.) And after the shocking (to them) Doolittle raid on Japan, it was decided to force a battle that would require the Americans to commit their remaining carriers. They could then be sunk giving the Japanese much greater freedom in the Pacific for at least a year. Actually taking Midway was secondary. Its strategic importance as a submarine base was not yet appreciated. The main goal was to engage the carriers. Thus, the famous breaking of Japanese codes, (magic) actually served Japanese purposes as it helped draw the Americans out. Also the rapid repair and deployment of the Yorktown also served their purpose as it placed one addition carrier in jeopardy. The Americans were still outnumbered and the Yorktown was late and had only thrown together flight crews. All of this however, was either forgotten or never appreciated by Nagumo. He committed all of his aircraft to attacking Midway when that was secondary to attacking carriers. Even worse, the air attacks were not needed to guarantee the success of the landing. Too much is made of the late report from the scout of the Tone. Nagumo should have known that the American carriers were out there. The whole Japanese plan was that they WOULD be out there, and he would sink them. The subsequent attacks by the large number of ground aircraft from Midway made should have made it clear that the Americans knew they were coming. That if nothing else, should have made it clear that the American carriers were also out there somewhere. If Nagumo had remembered the purpose of his mission he would have only sent enough of an air raid on Midway to let the Americans know he was there, then he would have concentrated his whole fleet on finding and striking at the American fleet. Had he done so the results might have been very different.




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#2 10 years ago

For all the people, no matter what, Bad guys or Good guys, 1 minute of silence




Lobo

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#3 10 years ago

Tons of fishes and sharks and whales swimming peacefully in those waters were slaughtered in that battle

[SIZE="1"](in these boards a remembrance thread without flamefest is nothing)[/SIZE]




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#4 10 years ago

There you go again... ignoring the plankton!!!




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#5 10 years ago

who cares about plankton, hippie?




It's Happy Fun Ball!

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#6 10 years ago

Hey, those sharks knew the risks when they started swimming around those warships.




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#7 10 years ago
It's Happy Fun Ball!;4370244Hey, those sharks knew the risks when they started swimming around those warships.

They were coldly analyzing the risk of death versus the benefit of a free feast...

All gallows humor aside, interesting take on Midway. Never heard all of that before. Not sure what I think of it though.

Doesn't really make sense for Nagumo to be sending all of his aircraft against Midway if his goal was to strike the US fleet...unless he over-estimated the effectiveness of the US aircraft on the island.

I always thought that the Japanese intended to capture Midway in order to serve as a forward base for the invasion of Hawaii. That was definitely the American perception at the time.

Also the feint against Attu and Kiska has to be considered. It doesn't really make sense to do a move designed to spread the enemy's strength if you goal is to lure his forces into the decisive battle.

All told, I don't buy your scenario. Not saying I'm sure that it's wrong, it just doesn't make sense to me.




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#8 10 years ago

Thanks for the heads up,

man on this day well over 60 years ago, two nations were duking it out in the Pacific, and several ships would be sent to the bottom. BTW Friday is the D-Day 64th anniversary

On the topic of marine casualties, how many fish you think were killed in the bikin atoll testing?




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#9 10 years ago

Well the Japanese wanted the US carriers since Pearl Harbor and the island of Midway itself would of been a nice rice stalk (or peacock feather take your pick) in their capisans. I think they were trying for both and would of been glad to settle for one or the other. The feint to Alaska was just that. It appears (as was mentioned in another thread by jumjum I believe) that the Japanese greatly underestimated the US Navy. Why they kept no defensive aircraft to protect their carriers was a major FUBAR. And considering the age of our bombers at that time (Dauntlesses/SBDs) it wouldn't of taken much to stop them either. Good thought on the thread Fun Ball and thank you for sharing it and giving us an opportunity to chime in plus remembering all those that sleep with the fishes. A quote concerning the Dauntless by Lt Cdr Eric 'Winkle' Brown RAF Farnborough 1944: The Dauntless emerged with an almost legendary reputation as the most successful shipboard dive-bomber of all time - albeit success that perhaps owed more to the crews that flew it in truly dauntless fashion than to the intrinsic qualities of the aeroplane itself.




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#10 10 years ago

Coincidentally I have a mid-term paper involving Midway, due this Monday.

Captivating battle. Also one of my all-time fav movies.