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jumjum

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I thought about this because of the "Duel Of The Knights " post and was reminded of the Russian movie Alexander Nevsky". SO a thread about movies during the war, not neceessarily combat, but related to the war effort, propaganda, etc.? "Alexander Nevsky" was made in '41 or so when thew Russians were still reeling from being kicked back to Moscow.Commissioned (of course) by Stalin, it was the story of the 13th century invasion of Russia by the Teuitonic Knights and how the peasants defeated the nasty German war lovers in the "Battle on the Ice" on a huge lake. What made it so memorable to me was the heavy symbolism and the way the director (Eisenstein?) made the Germans look like monsters. He had them wearing huge completely enclosed helmets, you could see nothing about their faces or features, and they had grotesque headdresses on the helmets: a hand, an eagle, a crucifix, etc. They were truly creepy to look act, and of course they were portrayed as savagely cruel. Every time they were shown, deep, blaring, dissonant horns played. Stalin also made sure that the Christianity the Knights were supposedly trying to spread (but the Church was already establsihed in Russia...?) was a weak and false crutch, that the Knights didn't really believe and would sell out just to beg to live, and that the peasants were too strong to need. It's roaring propaganda but great drama, with a lotta hacking and chopping. FWIW, it's on a lot of movire critics' all-time-greats list. If you ever get to see it, your knowedge of what was going on in Russia in the Winter of 41-42 really puts the message in context.




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#2 13 years ago

My German teacher has an old German movie called "Stukas" from 1943, with Chezh subtitles.




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#3 13 years ago

German movie made during the war for traning porpuse, infantry vs tanks this movie also shows that the mine should be more commen in FH. inf vs tanks (30mb)




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#4 13 years ago
jumjumI thought about this because of the "Duel Of The Knights " post and was reminded of the Russian movie Alexander Nevsky". SO a thread about movies during the war, not neceessarily combat, but related to the war effort, propaganda, etc.? "Alexander Nevsky" was made in '41 or so when thew Russians were still reeling from being kicked back to Moscow.Commissioned (of course) by Stalin, it was the story of the 13th century invasion of Russia by the Teuitonic Knights and how the peasants defeated the nasty German war lovers in the "Battle on the Ice" on a huge lake. What made it so memorable to me was the heavy symbolism and the way the director (Eisenstein?) made the Germans look like monsters. He had them wearing huge completely enclosed helmets, you could see nothing about their faces or features, and they had grotesque headdresses on the helmets: a hand, an eagle, a crucifix, etc. They were truly creepy to look act, and of course they were portrayed as savagely cruel. Every time they were shown, deep, blaring, dissonant horns played. Stalin also made sure that the Christianity the Knights were supposedly trying to spread (but the Church was already establsihed in Russia...?) was a weak and false crutch, that the Knights didn't really believe and would sell out just to beg to live, and that the peasants were too strong to need. It's roaring propaganda but great drama, with a lotta hacking and chopping. FWIW, it's on a lot of movire critics' all-time-greats list. If you ever get to see it, your knowedge of what was going on in Russia in the Winter of 41-42 really puts the message in context.

I have seen and loved it. It is a good example of medieval combat as well. And yes the sybolism is quite blatant.




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#5 13 years ago

Big Lebowski, that was amazing! I've never seen anything like it. But only in a training film would what looks like a glorified squad of troops have half-a-dozen different anti-tank munitions, and be so successful as to take out seven or so T-34s which convneiently continued a trench assault without any apparent close infantry support. Outstanding! Got any more like that?




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#6 13 years ago

I saw an documentary on the American movies made during WWII. The producer of the documnetry's point was Hollywood was used greatly by the US military to boost morale and help get enlistments. He analyzed the films of John Wayne, etc. and his claim was they always showed the US in a positive light with all soldiers at all times willing to bite the bullet on all negatives and be very postive about everything. Every once and a while there were some bad eggs but they were the object lesson of the movie, which was to work together as a team to overcome all odds. I'm sure there was a place for this and I'm certainly not discounting the valor of US troops, whom acquitted themselves extremely well on the battlefield without the needs of any hype. The one salient point I remember though is the claim of the director that a generation of Americans that grew up watching these films after WWII became very disillusioned when they got to the quagmire that was Vietnam. The shining heros weren't there, the smiles and gung ho spirit wasn't there as the movies they had watched depicted. Real people died in real time in a mess of a jungle environment that wasn't packed with pretty nurses. Movies like The Deer Hunter kinda broke the old mold from Hollywood. Bottom line was that film and movies had a powerful (and unintended) influence on the pysche of American youth.




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#7 13 years ago

jumjumBig Lebowski, that was amazing! I've never seen anything like it. But only in a training film would what looks like a glorified squad of troops have half-a-dozen different anti-tank munitions, and be so successful as to take out seven or so T-34s which convneiently continued a trench assault without any apparent close infantry support. Outstanding! Got any more like that?[/QUOTE]

however that timed tellermine could replace the satchel for germans.....

edit: no point in two posts if the timeline doesn't work!

[QUOTE=Big LeBowSki]yeah the germans do seem have some kind of magic powers.. taking out a t-34 with a pak 36 in one shot and destroing the rest with only one wounded.. but as it was made during the war by germans for propaganda and traning/tactics use it makes sense.

they used the hollow charge grenade on the pak. 180mm penetration 231993.jpg




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#8 13 years ago
Big LeBowSkiyeah the germans do seem have some kind of magic powers.. taking out a t-34 with a pak 36 in one shot and destroing the rest with only one wounded.. but as it was made during the war by germans for propaganda and traning/tactics use it makes sense.

they used the hollow charge grenade on the pak.




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#9 13 years ago
jumjumBig Lebowski, that was amazing! I've never seen anything like it. But only in a training film would what looks like a glorified squad of troops have half-a-dozen different anti-tank munitions, and be so successful as to take out seven or so T-34s which convneiently continued a trench assault without any apparent close infantry support. Outstanding! Got any more like that?

yeah, the germans does seem to have some magic powers.. taking out a t-34 with a pak 36 in one shot and destroing the rest with only one wounded.. but as it was made during the war by germans for propaganda and traning/tactics use it makes sense.

EDIT: heres another one, not so much of a movie but still woth showing german anti tank tactics




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#10 13 years ago

Alexander Nevsky was made in 1938, wasn't it?




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