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#1 13 years ago

Okey...as far as I know the MP38 and MP40 is almost indentical weapons, the only different beeing some changes internaly to make the MP40 easier/cheaper to produce. Is this right? What about the MP43 and MP44? IIRC it was renamed to StG44 later on. So, was the MP43, MP44 and StG44 all exactly the same weapon? :confused: :)




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#2 13 years ago

Yes, the first use of the MP 43 was octobre 1943 at the eastern front. In march 1944 the MP 43 was renamed to MP44 after some little changes. Some commanders were really impressed of the effectivity of the weapon, and Hitler let increase the production. In decembre 1944 the weapon got his new name "Sturmgewehr" (StG).




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#3 13 years ago

these little changes, what was them?




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#4 13 years ago

"Kleine Verbesserungen im Detail der Waffe wie einem Schutzdach für das Korn, das sich im harten Gefecht zu leicht beschädigen ließ und ein verändertes Gewinde an der Laufmündung führten zur MP43/1, die ab April 1944 ohne weitere Veränderungen MP 44 genannt wurde."

- the sight got a protection roof, because it were often damaged in battle - a changed thread at the muzzle

i hope, i translated it good enough to understand =) (my english isn´t the best one)

i had to search for other sources and found here another date for the renaming from Mp43 to Mp44 - april 1944. I don´t know, which is correct.




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#5 13 years ago

Thanks, mArs!

So the MP44 is a little modified MP43, and the MP44 is presicly the same as the StG44!




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#6 13 years ago

Yes, StG44 ("Sturmgwehr 44") is just the propaganda name.




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#7 13 years ago

If my memory serves me, the difference between the MP43 and MP44 was the round used. The MP43 used the standard K98 round, whereas the MP44 used a short 7.92mm round.




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#8 13 years ago

There was the MP42 or Mkb42, which used the "8x57 mm IS Patrone". But these cartridges were too big, so the developed the new "Polte-Kurzpatrone 7,92x33 mm" and the MP43 was born =).

That´s what i found on german sites.




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#9 13 years ago
mArsThere was the MP42 or Mkb42, which used the "8x57 mm IS Patrone". But these cartridges were too big, so the developed the new "Polte-Kurzpatrone 7,92x33 mm" and the MP43 was born =). That´s what i found on german sites.

Those sites are wrong. There never was a MP-42 to my knowledge, so they may be confused with the FG-42 which was designed for the paratroopers. The Mkb-42(H) and Mkb-42(W) prototypes were both specifically designed to take advantage of the new 7.92x33mm kurz cartridge, not the 7,92x57 round. As for differences between the MP-43, MP-44 and Stg-44 there are some very slight ones, but not significant and mostly relate to minor improvements resaulting from combat experience. The one example I can think of is that there was a slight modification of the bolt. One rare variant is the MP-43/I which did not have a threaded muzzle and had rails on the rear sight base for a scope (which was never adopted). With regard to the front sight hood, this was standard on all designs, however as they were made of spring steel and only clipped on they often got lost. Main difference in the MP-38 and MP-40 was the use of machined steel in the MP-38. This was very costly and time consuming in production, so they replaced as much as they could with sheet steel as they could, to get a lighter and cheaper gun. The basic operation remained the same (not much you can change on it really).




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#10 13 years ago

Don't forget about the MP41.