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Lützow

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#31 12 years ago
Be4viz;4057200I though it was pretty obvious that that post wasn't meant to be taken seriously, and besides, I know very well that nuking is never an option. However, I don't think either of us agree that the VICTIM was the one to be punished in this or any other case.

Oh, just a bad joke then... Your attitude just seemed so hostile. I can understand that you feel bad for their, lets say, little backwards justice system.




Biiviz

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#32 12 years ago

Well, I've been hearing so much about this lately, for example, about a Finnish peacekeeper who was killed in Afghanistan and how the (Afghanistan) government let the guilty go free, and also these numerous rape cases.




Lützow

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#33 12 years ago

I thought he was killed due to friendly fire? And it was the Finns who started the accidental firefight with the Afgan police patrol, wasn't it? E: Oh, you were talking about this another case I hadn't heard untill now... silly me.




Biiviz

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#34 12 years ago

No, this guy was killed from a home-made bomb on the side of the road, several Norwegian peacekeepers were also injured.




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#35 12 years ago

Wasserfaller;40569741) bombings of abortion Clinics: Violence at US Abortion Clinics

[COLOR=Red]How many was that? And how many people killed? I know of one - officer Sandy Sanderson in Birmingham, Alabama was killed by Eric Rudolph, who was acting more along the McVeigh lines of a neo-nazi "America the way it used to be"[/COLOR]

2) Galileo's death: Galileo Galilei - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[COLOR=Red]Huh? When?[/COLOR]

3) Crusades (lasted almost 200 years, wars to preserve "Christendom") Crusades - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[COLOR=Red]Again, when?[/COLOR]

4) Catholics vs. Protestants in N. Ireland

[COLOR=Red]Just, "?". Muslim terrorist kill more in an average week than have died in Northern Ireland since 1969. And that's about politics more than religion - it's just that religion is one of the political fault lines: British loyalists are Protestants; Irish Separatists are Catholic. If somehow the two sides could each get their heart's desire (which, given what they want, is not possible) they'd hardly cares about the religion of the other. even accepting, for the sake of argument only, that the conflict is primarily religious and not politico/cultural, it's "friendly fire" - they're Christians directing violence against a different "sect", not killing those not actually of their religion.[/COLOR]

5) means of persuasion to "accept" christianity... Atrocities of the Christian Church

[COLOR=Red]Again, huh? My context was within the living memory of man, not 1,000 years ago. Still, I don't think you want to match up on which religion first used violence to coerce conversion, or which has used it longer, or which was even founded on conquest by the sword, a tenet of which has remained unchanged to this day. [/COLOR]

I see where you're going with this, but i still say both have done equally horrible things, most of the christian stuff that i cited was done long ago, most of the stuff mentioned in above posts was done recently.

My point being, both christians and muslims have done pretty horrible things to non-believers, just because something was done long ago doesn't make it less horrible.

[COLOR=Red]But you drew an equivalence of scale, that each had done essentially the same thing, which they haven't. But let's assume they had been absolutely equally as murderous in the past - which does so now? You can't blithely say they're equally as heinous and claim to be interested in the truth. There is just no equivalence.[/COLOR]

It's a pretty pathetic argument that the people committing these crimes are using..."OUR religion is right, we are the one's who are bound to be with God because we are good people! Now agree with us or we'll skewer your penis/behead you!"

Meh, don't know why people can't just be nice.

[COLOR=Red]I'm all for that. Which religion would have to cease its acts of violence to have that happen? [/COLOR]

[COLOR=DarkSlateGray]There's no equivalence.[/COLOR]




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#36 12 years ago

Whoopsie, the Galileo thing wasn't supposed to say death, was a typo. Meant his excommunication.

1) there have been many abortion clinics bombed, if you really are that interested i could fish out all the different ones, but the majority of the ones i've seen have been done in "the name of Jesus."

2) yeah, typo, meant his excommunication based on not agreeing with the church.

3)To answer that question, from 1095-1291

4) Sure it's "friendly fire," isn't there quite a bit of that going on in the middle east? Killing different "sects" of their own people? I was just kind of saying, "hey, the white folk do that too"

5) just because one has done it longer than the other doesn't make it less....well, bad. I'm not arguing "oh, islam is the most peaceful religion in the world," I'm just pointing out that the Christians aren't/weren't the nicest folk around either.

I'm just trying to be the one pointing it out, because everyone else seems to kind of bypass all the bad things done by the christians when they get into a whole islam vs. christianity or west vs. east ideology argument.

Yes, i did draw an equivalence of scale, how many were killed in the Crusades? Estimated 1.5 million (Twentieth Century Atlas - Historical Body Count) Yes, i'm sure there have been an equal amount, probably more, killed by muslims as well.




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#37 12 years ago

Funny how the Islamo-apologists have to draw on things that happened hundreds of years ago - Galileo?!?, the Crusades?!? - to make their points as to the equivalences of Christian and Muslim violence. Granted abortion clinic bombings are more recent, but they were few and far between and did primarily physical damage - also, a good number of folks on this forum weren't even alive or were toddlers when the last one happened.

Meanwhile, I can point to a more recent timeframe (yesterday, two days ago, last week) when detailing Muslim atrocities.




Moose12

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#38 12 years ago

Islam is very new in the timeframe of religions. Christianity has been around a lot longer, so just because they aren't committing to many atrocities right now, doesn't mean they haven't and won't again. Same can be said for Muslims. You can't forget that Muslims invaded lower Spain in 711 and enacted a Jihad, similar to the crusades across the iberian pennisula.




Lützow

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#39 12 years ago

Why is he bringing back old stuff, you ask? Well, it's called HISTORY. It's pretty usefull to look back what we have done to them before going "they are badbadbadbad". I don't think it just popped into their heads one day that they should hate the Western world, so there got to be something behind it. Is it the Crusades, British imperialism or the Iraq war? I say they all contribute to it.