Pic of hand-to-hand - real or faked? -1 reply

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jumjum

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#1 9 years ago

Some of you may be familiar with this pic which purports to be of partisans on Crete as they ambsuh and grapple with German soldiers, just before stabbing and clubbing them to death I presume.

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I found it at Axis History Forum where it is discussed - Axis History Forum • View topic - Greek guerillas pics during occupation While looking for something else I learned of its existence for the first time on MetaFilter (pic no longer there, but comments remain) Comments on 7902 | MetaFilter

It is supposed to have been taken by a British officer operating with a band of partisans on Crete. The British SOE (SAS predecessors I believe) were very active on Crete and in the Greek isles, and you may recall Major Patrick Fermor and Captain Stanley Moss kidnapped German General Kreipe, the ranking German officer in all of Crete, in 1944, and actually removed him from the island by sub and taken to England(!). The incident was the subject of the book and movie by the name of Ill Met By Moonlight.

Some comments say Fermor himself took the picture of an actual ambush, and it certainly is in keeping with the eccentricity and swashbuckling nature of those SOE blokes, and the kind of thing Fermor would do.

But it just seems too good. And no follow-up pics? Looks more like stills from a movie - maybe from the very one I mentioned, or even The Guns Of Navarone. Dunno. Anyone familiar with the debate or know the answer?




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#2 9 years ago

I call BS. For one they are too close together and I see an MP40 or two in this pic.




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#3 9 years ago

Also, from where are they supposed to be ambushing? seems quite open.




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#4 9 years ago

Yep, my first thought was, "How did these guys get close enough not to get ventilated?" But I'd love for someone to discover the pic's provenance.

Hey, that reminds me - I think I posted about a site that can automatically track the originating source of a pic Now that doesn't mean you'll get back to the very first time, but maybe it can take you through layers of uploading. I'll try to find it again.




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#5 9 years ago

I call that one of these Yugoslavian Movies... Partisani!




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#6 9 years ago

What I notice is that there is absolutely no motion blur. I highly doubt that the SOE guy got them all to pose for the photo, then go back to fighting. Also, why are the greeks fighting them, when they have rifles slung on their backs. its not like they're not gonna make a lot of noise with all the screaming from the hand to hand....

I call BS.




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#7 9 years ago

It could be a quality higher speed film which accounts for the lack of a so-called "blur". What strikes me is that none of the enemies faces are near or facing towards the camera and my gut tells me that it is potentially a re-enactment photo taken with the dead men's uniforms for propaganda purposes, or for training documentation. (friendlies in dead men's uniforms) and Btw Mudra, the guys (real vets) that I talk to never really say much of screaming so much as they refer to the grunts during a fight and the gurgling sound once somebody got stabbed.Although most of us will always be too scared (instinctive, visceral) to ever stab someone, there can be times and places where it is appropriate in place of firearms. I would also like to mention that a rifle crack is much more distinct and very loud and could potentially carry for a great distance over the Cretan topography. i do agree the photo looks to be staged though.




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#8 9 years ago

I'd be more inclinded to call it propaganda footage than a entertainment film. Though it wouldn't surprise me if it was real as well. I've seen more unlikely situations caught on tape.