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jumjum

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#1 10 years ago

I was just talking with someone about how Montgomery refused to attack unless he had absolutely overwhelming superiority in men and equipment. It reminds me of a Hemingway story.

"Papa" was no fan of Montgomery, whom he thought was a British McClellan, overcautious and even timid. So when in London (and spoiling for a fight apparently) he would order a martini by calling for a "Montgomery".

"Well what's a Mongtomery, sir?"

"It's 15-to-1, gin to vermouth."

"How is that a Montgomery, Mr. Hemingway?"

"It's how much he has to outnumber the Germans before he'll attack."




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#2 10 years ago

That might be true for the Second Battle of El Alamein, but when you look at the previous British offensive operations in the western desert campaign you can see the result of being rushed into an offensive, without having the proper amount of men and material. Operation Batteaxe for example was a horrible failure and was only launched prematurely because of Churchill's constant harrasment of Wavell.

But I seem to recall that Operation Market Garden was also Montgomery's plan. And I don't think anyone will dispute that it was a daring operation with a lot of risk involved.

Still, a funny anecdote. :)




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#3 10 years ago

jumjum;4186695I was just talking with someone about how Montgomery refused to attack unless he had absolutely overwhelming superiority in men and equipment. It reminds me of a Hemingway story.

"Papa" was no fan of Montgomery, whom he thought was a British McClellan, overcautious and even timid. So when in London (and spoiling for a fight apparently) he would order a martini by calling for a "Montgomery".

"Well what's a Mongtomery, sir?"

"It's 15-to-1, gin to vermouth."

"How is that a Montgomery, Mr. Hemingway?"

"It's how much he has to outnumber the Germans before he'll attack."

Yeah it's so true. I'm sure you've read it (or heard of it) jumjum, but I really recommend checking out Rick Atkinson's An Army at Dawn. (link) It won the Pulitzer prize, and trust me, there is a good reason for it. It's an outstanding book about Operation Torch and the rest of the North African and Tunisian campaigns. It has some really enlightening insight into Montgomery and his later desert war tactics.




jumjum

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#4 10 years ago
'LIGHTNING [NL;4186730']That might be true for the Second Battle of El Alamein...But I seem to recall that Operation Market Garden was also Montgomery's plan. And I don't think anyone will dispute that it was a daring operation with a lot of risk involved......

Sheesh, why d'ya ruin a good story with facts? ;)




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#5 10 years ago

I really don't like Montgommery though, as a General, I just find his approach disgusting. Just my opinion though, not saying he wasn't capable.




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#6 10 years ago
hockeywarrior2;4186819Rick Atkinson's An Army at Dawn. (link) It won the Pulitzer prize

Well the book didn't win the prize, the author did, but I know what you mean... Awesome book, and it came to my mind when reading the topic post (which was pretty funny btw)




Von Mudra

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#7 10 years ago

The Day of Battle, the sequal to An Army at Dawn, finally released late last year. I just started it two days ago, just getting into Operation Husky:D




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#8 10 years ago
Von Mudra;4192461The Day of Battle, the sequal to An Army at Dawn, finally released late last year. I just started it two days ago, just getting into Operation Husky:D

I expect a full book report on my desk by Monday.




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#9 10 years ago

I just finished "Eagle against the Sun", not bad.




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#10 10 years ago
Rad-FH;4192470I expect a full book report on my desk by Monday.

Yeah....um....considering my reading time consists of maybe a half an hour before I go to bed....no....

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