Write heavy; write hard.
11th April 2005
Grammar-nazi and picture-straightener that I am, I have to get this off my chest: it disgusts me that most members of all levels of American society are apparently unable to correctly use "I" and "me". It kills me to hear sports announcers, tv program hosts, newsmen, hell, even actors speaking from scripts supposedly written out long in advance, misuse "I" when "me" is the correct form.
We hear it all the time: [INDENT]"After the game Peyton Manning told Jimmy and I that his arm was sore"; [/INDENT]or, [INDENT]"Today President Bush said he would give you and I a $300 tax break". [/INDENT]Do these sentences sound right to you? If so, congratulations - you are probably in the majority of Americans...but unfortunately also ill informed about how to use your native tongue.
Okay, here is the rule: the objective form of the personal pronoun (that is, what you refer to yourself as) is not "I" - it is "me". So, [INDENT]"I" do something, but something is done to "me".
"I" give something, but something is given to "me".
"I" say something, but something is said to "me". [/INDENT]Get it? Want to test it? Use the sentences above, but just remove any name or other pronoun before the "I" in the sentences. So then we get: [INDENT]"After the game Peyton Manning told I that his arm was sore." [/INDENT]Sounds stupid, right? And then try, [INDENT]"Today President Bush said he would give I a $300 tax break." [/INDENT]Yaaaaaarrrrrgggghhhh!!! The funny thing is, even Chimpy McCrook isn't so ignorant as to speak like that, but the people who call him stupid do.
The crazy thing is, people who speak like this think they are speaking with oh-so-perfect grammar...the doofuses. What drives me more insane is that as little as 25 years ago teachers across the nation were still struggling to get their students to quit using "me" too much! As in, "Jimmy and me went to the store."
Well, I'm sure now you all feel much better. Please, don't, no, oh you're embarrassing me! Really, you don't have to thank me - I'm just happy to help. But don't worry, because I'll be around to help with more of those tough grammar questions that I know you all burn to have answered. ;)
28th August 2006
Another thing that's very prevalent is the use of then/than; I've harped on about this in a few places but here it goes again.
When comparing one thing with another you may find that one is more appealing “than” another. “Than” is the word you want when doing comparisons. But if you are talking about time, choose “then“: “First you separate the eggs; then you beat the whites.” Alexis is smarter than I, not “then I."
I actually didn't know about "I" do something, but something is done to "me". I'm going to thank you anyway! thank you. But I don't think I have ever made the mistake to write a sentence like those examples you gave, but at least I learned WHY you are to use I and me, at least I think I learned it.
13th May 2003
JumJum and Lightning, sitting in a tree.. ..c-o-r-r-e-c-ting.. :)
In regards of typing, I've been cought red handed using "your", when the propper usage would be "you're".. yes.. I feel a bit dirty inside..
But, I have yet to find myself do the mistake you mention JumJum.. It's.. just.. so incredibly silly to say it like that :|
A superior 5-digit number
27th June 2004
I find it rather funny that jumjum uses President Bush in an example of bad grammar usage!
jumjum;4242592[INDENT]"After the game Peyton Manning told Jimmy and I that his arm was sore"; [/INDENT]or,[INDENT]"Today President Bush said he would give you and I a $300 tax break". [/INDENT]
There is a wonderful 2 letter word that can fix this problem. Us...
"After the game Peyton Manning told us that his arm was sore" "Today President Bush said he would give us a $300 tax break".
I've run into this kind of issue lots of times and I find it is more of an issue with people attempting to sound smart.
I'm sure all of you have received emails where people have "weather" in the place of "whether", or or a sentence where it looks like they took a word, looked it up in a thesaurus and replaced it with another word that doesn't fit. "Today I fed my dog" , "Today I nourished my dog".
People have been taught two things in English class. 1. Spell check everything 2. By using a thesaurus you can make a paper look more professional.
Problem is no one is taught how to use a thesaurus properly, or how to look up a word they don't know the meaning to.
This leads to the person writing out a letter, Spell checking every word (clicking and not looking to see if it fits), and then when their letter is completely typed out, they look up certain words in a thesaurus and replace perfectly good words for ones that don't fit but look bigger and more intelligent.
This is why we need English Nazis they keep us in line.
Gelato pwns all
11th March 2006
You and I agree on many things Jum. Me approve this topic.
Write heavy; write hard.
11th April 2005
All good posts, but foodie, you rock. Heh.
My world champion irritant - "lie" vs. "laid" It is never, ever used correctly anywhere. People always say, " I laid down". No, no, no,dammit! It is I lay down!
What a person does is "lie" down. The forms are: [INDENT]I lie down today;
I lay down yesterday;
I will have lain down by tommorow. [/INDENT]But a person lays something down. The forms are: [INDENT]He lay the book on the table as he got up;
He lay the book on the table a few minutes ago; (present and past tense is the same!)
He will have laid the book on the table by then. [/INDENT]So for the person, it is "lie, lay, lain". For the thing it is "lay, lay, laid".
And a note about colloquial usage of "to lay" as in "to have sexual congress with". It is perfectly legitimate to continue the incorrect usage in these circumstances. So, "I laid that skank last week", is quite okay - but use a grammar condom.
Now go out there and use grammar with confidence!
Survivor of Little Big Spam
30th June 2006
How about this: "Can implies if you are able to do something. May implies if you have permission to do something." That is a sure-fire way to get a face-full of knuckle from Mr. Average Joe who got a 60% in English 1. Anyway, I'm not much of a grammar-nazi at all. Really could care less about I, me, can, may, your, you're; but what really pisses me off is when people say "youse" (as in you((plural)) ) and "ya'll".
*TRA* Spsk. Pilotka VVS
22nd June 2005
I'll answer this thread, like I answer all SAT grammar basd questions:
D. No Error