The "Assassination" of President Bush -1 reply

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Jetro

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#351 13 years ago
As you already mentioned though, there are a number of different factions. And all of them have goals beyond "get rid of the yanks", namely, "we want power." Sounds the same to me.

Not really, take any revolution and it's nearly always one faction, one goal. A hogde pogde of factions laying roadside bombs and blow themselves up at random isn't like any 'Revolution' out there,

So are you okay with someone receiving a longer jail sentence for a murder deemed to be racially motivated?

No, since ones race doesn't have anything to do with the severity of a crime. But I support someone getting a longer sentence for 1st degree murder as opposed to involuntary manslaughter.

Well, you can't, but I can. I'll kill someone who shoots at me, but I won't bother doing anything if they just want to convert me. Consider me converted.

If you can find a case where Osama Bin Laden is talking about killing infidels and instead converting them, you might be able to start making a case for this. But, as far as the evidence shows, they just want us dead.

I'm trying to to say that, yes. There is a reason soldiers suffer from "shell shock" for years after a war is over, and when of those reasons is that they are taught by their parent's and their Gods from childhood that murder is wrong, then are given a gun by the government and told to go and murder as many people as possible in as short a time as possible. I don't know being honest would work, but it might work better than what we do now.

And they where shot at, watched friends die, saw plenty of gore, exhaustion, fear, being shelled, ect. Shell shock is a reletavly new disorder in soldiers. But people have been killing in wars, much, much further back then that without 'shellshock'. So blaming it simply on killing doesn't work.

No. Do your thing, but stop lying about it. Why hasn't Saudi Arabia been invaded? Pakistan? North Korea? How does invading Iraq solve the problem? Afghanistan I can almost understand, but Iraq?

What's the lie? They thought they had WMDs. They didn't. It was a major error in jugdement, that caused the troubles in Iraq.

I was in the navy. I know what sailors think about, and NONE of them consider what happens when the missiles land, they are there to make money. They are only thinking about their next lay, next beer, and next chance to sleep, and that is totally fine to me. It's a job.

I don't see why you have to go off and insult the people in the navy. It's completly uncalled for. It's not the job of the sailors to consider what happens when that missle lands. They are told to launch it and they launch it. They assume it will blow up some insurgents somewhere and that's good enough. I don't know why you have animosity towards the Navy and frankly don't care. But they do their part and serve their country just like anyone else in the military.

Stop pretending you are "serving" your country while jerking off in your bunk, and realize that you are just a mercenary, paid to murder.

And aside from being off from the proper definition of mercenary, I have no idea what this word play is suppose to achieve in anybodies mind and how that helps the soldiers, or civillians who got killed.




bakarocket

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#352 13 years ago
JetroIf you can find a case where Osama Bin Laden is talking about killing infidels and instead converting them, you might be able to start making a case for this. But, as far as the evidence shows, they just want us dead.

I don't know how to answer this, because one part of me knows that OBL and his ilk are just after power, and another part knows that if we were all Muslim he would be looking elsewhere to get it. You're right, I just don't know how right.

And they where shot at, watched friends die, saw plenty of gore, exhaustion, fear, being shelled, ect. Shell shock is a reletavly new disorder in soldiers. But people have been killing in wars, much, much further back then that without 'shellshock'. So blaming it simply on killing doesn't work.

Actually, shell shock doesn't seem to be new, the acceptance of it's existance seems to be new. There is one diary of a crusader (2nd crusade I think) that could easily be a diary from someone fighting in Vietnam. Shell shock ain't new, all-out warfare is.

What's the lie? They thought they had WMDs. They didn't. It was a major error in jugdement, that caused the troubles in Iraq.

Right.

I don't see why you have to go off and insult the people in the navy. It's completly uncalled for.

I didn't insult them. They are killing for money. Tell me how they aren't, and I'll apologize. I was in the Navy, and was being paid to kill when and if they told me to, without question. This ain't an insult, it's called real life.

It's not the job of the sailors to consider what happens when that missle lands...I don't know why you have animosity towards the Navy and frankly don't care.

I have no animosity towards the Navy, I have animosity towards the people who kill for money and then pretend they aren't. If they just killed for money and then admitted it, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

But they do their part and serve their country just like anyone else in the military.

Right. That's exactly what I'm saying. They aren't "serving their country". That is what they are told so that they can sleep at night after killing people. They choose to believe it so they can sleep at night. I think they should stop being such pussies and actually admit they are murderers killing for money, and then there won't be any of this garbage anymore.

And aside from being off from the proper definition of mercenary, I have no idea what this word play is suppose to achieve in anybodies mind and how that helps the soldiers, or civillians who got killed.

And that's why I'm finished with this conversation.




Strumtrupp

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#353 13 years ago
Real-BadSeedthe west is invading these countries for one reason, to get rid of dictatorships and tyrants who are breaking international law and not adhering to human rights laws. and to get terrorist groups hiding within some of these countries, its a multi-purpose indeavor. al queda has no country but they are set up in several Saddam was a tyrant and murderer who has killed hundreds of thousands of people and commited genocide against the kurds. hamas has being commiting terrorist acts against civilians for years, while hiding amonst innocent civilians, and operated against the will of its own goverment, deliberately destroying chances for peace and negotiated settlements. they want war, so now they're getting it. these groups deserve exactly what they are getting. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- if you think our side is deliberatly targeting civilians, you have a very distorted view of the truth. the fact is we have hundreds of casualties because we dont just bomb them into oblivion. if we wanted to just kill all of them, then we would just bomb them non-stop from 50,000 ft. without losing a man, now wouldnt we.. the fact is they hide amongst women and children, and then point the finger at us when theres collatoral damage, i blame them for using women and children as meat shields. you dont see our side hiding behind women and children, why dont they come out and fight?? oh thats right they want to try and twist things to gain sympathy from those that want to hate the west for any reason. i love this "they're revolutionaries" bit... they are terrorists(al queda) and (hamas), or they're tyrants (taliban) and (saddam and cronies). in either case they are breaking international law and commiting crimes against human rights. like it or not, this wont be tolerated by anyone anymore. you want to just point the finger at the U.S. but its all of us westerners that are involved. and we are going to continue disposing of these groups, peace is coming if we have to ram it down certain groups throats.

What a load of bull. Those dictators and tyrants were once the best friends of those claiming to be liberating the people from. They supported Saddam, gave him weapons and told him where to aim them. They also turned a blind eye when he used the gas. Same with Osama and the Taliban. Heck the Taliban got invited to the US and the US gove with the help of the media, made sure to make the taliban look good. Don't like a goverment? Lets topple them! Look to Haiti. Did you know the now hated Venezuelan prez was a supporter of the afghanistan war? But he screwed up by critisizing how the war was fought. Remember NOT that the war was fought. Out of the blue Chavez is mr bad guy and US alighned uprising tries to take power.

This is not about doing the right thing. The 'right' thing is how the politicians define it. Don't fall for the propaganda. This is the world of realpolitics and not the pretty world politicians want you to believe it is. This is all about power and who comes out on top and making sure you are the one to come out on top.

And if you are going to claim the other side is so bad, you need not look hard to find evidence that neither side plays fair. Funny how you hold the bad guys to higher standards then the 'good' guys.

Disturbing to see how there are people out there that believe the lies. You are only lying to yourself!




Mr_Cheese

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#354 13 years ago

Sorry to dig this up again but I thought this link would nicely and finally bring this thread back on topic... :)




Gen'l Knight

Can't ... give peace a chance?

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#355 13 years ago

[quote=Strumtrupp;3237136]What a load of bull. Those dictators and tyrants were once the best friends of those claiming to be liberating the people from. They supported Saddam, gave him weapons and told him where to aim them. They also turned a blind eye when he used the gas. Same with Osama and the Taliban. Heck the Taliban got invited to the US and the US gove with the help of the media, made sure to make the taliban look good. Don't like a goverment? Lets topple them! Look to Haiti. It's amazing what a change of leadership does to set things right.. Did you know the now hated Venezuelan prez was a supporter of the afghanistan war? But he screwed up by critisizing how the war was fought. Remember NOT that the war was fought. Out of the blue Chavez is mr bad guy and US alighned uprising tries to take power. There are other things that could possibly lead to lack of support for Mr. Chavez from the US - like every time he opens his mouth???? This is not about doing the right thing. The 'right' thing is how the politicians define it. Don't fall for the propaganda. This is the world of realpolitics and not the pretty world politicians want you to believe it is. This is all about power and who comes out on top and making sure you are the one to come out on top. "Real politics" is using whatever you have to to get the job done. The US has used a lot of "assets" as well as has every country throughout the history of time. Do you not think our "allies" weren't given notice that they should straighten up? I suppose we screwed up by not telling them to harbor terrorists that fly planes into buildings killing people - oh wait, real allies don't do that do they? And if you are going to claim the other side is so bad, you need not look hard to find evidence that neither side plays fair. Funny how you hold the bad guys to higher standards then the 'good' guys. Yep, I'm still counting how many bombs the US has set off in public places, churchs. mosques, markets, schools, airplanes. I'm still counting all the people we've beheaded, cut hands off, raped, mentally terrorized or just plain killed because they don't accept our state religion... And I'm also positive in this war in Iraq/Afganistan, that the other sides calls up there commanding officer who then calls up their commanding officer to see if we can take out that guy running along side the road with an RPG or should we wait because he may have accidentally picked it up? Disturbing to see how there are people out there that believe the lies. You are only lying to yourself![/quote] I really don't know what to say...




Yossarian

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#356 13 years ago

Saw the movie, it was really not that great. Movie went downhill after the Prez was assassinated. Really enjoyed the half hour leading up to it though




IcarianVX

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#357 13 years ago
Yossarian;3338632Saw the movie, it was really not that great. Movie went downhill after the Prez was assassinated. Really enjoyed the half hour leading up to it though

Ditto. It could have been great. Instead it was just another political piece to get someones point of view across. Very boring.