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jumjum

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#1 10 years ago

This story is about my "mother country", which I love more than any other than that of my birth; but I simply do not recognize much about it these days.

Schoolboys punished with detention for refusing to kneel down and pray to Allah | Mail Online

For those who look to the source of such stories, I think that it very wise, for bias and spin in reporting is unfortunately a very real problem today. But unless someone can present credible evidence casting doubt on the truth of the underlying facts reported (which I am always interested in), to say, "Well, everyone knows the XYZ is a worthless rag", is so meaningless and irrelevant as to be embarrassing.

*edit* BTW, I notice after linking a story that sometimes a fully legible headline appears in the link itself. I don't put them there - they come with the story.




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#2 10 years ago

As there are about 5 pages on this story on Google, I assume it's authentic. Still, were the lads punished for "failing to pray to Allah" or because they refused to participate in this "cultural diversity" exercise. A fine point, to be sure.... I know there's been a lot of fuss in the British press lately about this sort of thing; a prominent clergyman talking about incorporating the "principals" of Sharia law, that sort of thing. Heads would roll over here, I believe.




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#3 10 years ago

I find that it's best to take anything the Daily Mail reports with a bucketful of salt, IMO their reporting can be quite subjective. I just have a feeling that there is more to the story than is being let on. But that could be down to my own bias.




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#4 10 years ago

Sounds like the Teacher is in the wrong and this isn't what is supposed to happen. N0n-story imo typical for the Daily Moan - The same paper that every eyar claims xmas is banned in certain places and that immigrants are flooding the UK. I'm fairly right wing, but the daily mail is just an embarresment.




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#5 10 years ago

silian;4419169I find that it's best to take anything the Daily Mail reports with a bucketful of salt, IMO their reporting can be quite subjective. I just have a feeling that there is more to the story than is being let on. But that could be down to my own bias.[/quote]

Terrace Casual;4419212...N0n-story imo typical for the Daily Moan - The same paper that every eyar claims xmas is banned in certain places and that immigrants are flooding the UK. I'm fairly right wing, but the daily mail is just an embarresment.

*sigh* It was in the third paragraph, so you guys probably didn't read that far, so allow me to quote my own threadstarter: [quote=jumjum;4419059]...For those who look to the source of such stories, I think that it very wise, for bias and spin in reporting is unfortunately a very real problem today. But unless someone can present credible evidence casting doubt on the truth of the underlying facts reported (which I am always interested in), to say, "Well, everyone knows the XYZ is a worthless rag", is so meaningless and irrelevant as to be embarrassing....




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#6 10 years ago

Ill try to explain what the issue is with the daily mail in the UK , BILD in Germany, and Het Laatse Nieuws in Belgium.

Their papers are about this , Fear - Hate - Titties and of course the weather.

Its basicly propaganda, you will say thats a big word to use here, for one propaganda doesnt have to be lies, it mostly isnt, but its carefully selected items to change peoples mind, thats what those newspapers are about, and at the same time they make money out of the sensation.

I didnt read this article or the last one besides the headlines, both were about islam i think? I would really not worry about it cause for one its not even newsworthy, secondly there is no need to fear islam, its as stupid as any religion, and like in every religion you got nutjobs who take it too far.

In europe you got alot of muslims and something religion related is bound to happen, especially with Christianity having a harsh decline in this part of europe over the past 100 years you wont really hear about it anymore either.

It seems many are afraid of islam, many forums or games whenever i mention im from europe ppl go "hey in 40 years europe is taken over by muslims!", like its actually a bad thing, not that it would even happen.

In short, dont worry about it, it only proves how borked religion can be, but thats for another thread :p




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#7 10 years ago

Yes, I understand about yellow journalism. I also know that British tabloids are tabloid-ier than just about any other news rag on earth - plus they regularly get sued and lose. I'm immune to headlines, and I'm quite able to distinguish editorializing from a straight report - I get a lot of practice every day in the US.

What I can't do is reject out of hand the reported facts unless there is some articulable and factual basis or reason for doing so - which means a report of counter-facts from a source at least as credible as the original. So far, nada. Which indicates to me that the basic facts as reported in the "worship diversity" story - the what, when, where, who and how - are accurate. The nice thing about the internet age is that false or questionable stories almost always get outed within 24 hours. And so far no one has suggested in what what way the story isn't accurate - and I have been really hoping somebody could.

Stefan F;4419285....In short, dont worry about it...

Heh. Right. Like if I told you, "Look, if you're concerned about US imperialism, don't worry about it", your mind would therefore be at ease? We each have things we see as threats, and never the twain shall meet. ;)




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#8 10 years ago

Where are you finding all these things, Jum Jum?




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#9 10 years ago
I didnt read this article or the last one besides the headlines, both were about islam i think? I would really not worry about it cause for one its not even newsworthy, secondly there is no need to fear islam, its as stupid as any religion, and like in every religion you got nutjobs who take it too far.

If these boys had gotten punished for refusing to pray to the Good Lord and Jesus Christ, people would be in an uproar.

Another link. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2247388/Schoolboys-disciplined-for-'refusing-to-pray-to-Allah'.html




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#10 10 years ago

Just The Telegraph? Next you'll say The Times is a paper of record. Meh, it's not believable until it's in The Guardian!