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BFE - Queen Naga

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#1 12 years ago

I just thought up of something recently about World War 2.

Say for example, if the Allied Nations of Europe found out about Hitler's plans on reoccupying the Rhineland, his secretively covered plans on building prototypes of the Panzer I and increasing his militaries manpower and they invaded Germany with a hard fought battle and won. French, British, Polish, Denmark, Belgium, perhaps afew other countries occupied Germany then.

However my scenario is of like Red Alert, what if Stalin in 1939 invaded Europe with all his military technology at that point, agains't all the European nations current technology of that year. Perhaps even the intervention of U.S and Commonwealth around middle 1940?

I wanna discuss this, who would win, how would the Soviet's plan their invasion, what would Stalin have to do about the Maginot Line if he penetrates deep into Europe? Would he with his miltarial mindset actually send army-sized forces clashing into it with like battalions of T-34's roaming to destroy it?

I am interested in this WWII scenario and what do you think what the nations would do in Europe, Baltic, Northernland European countries, ecetera, eachothers possible strategies, paratrooping SAS across Poland and ceasing strategical territory and halt the incoming Soviet divisions?




Nostradamouse

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#2 12 years ago

Dont quote me on this, but I think that Stalin didnt got at the head of the state like in the middle of 1941, after barbarossa to "save" communism.




AussiePepsi

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#3 12 years ago

WW2 is NOT WW2 without Nazi Germany




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#4 12 years ago

I always wondered what'd happen if the Maginot Wall stretched all the way to the northern coast.




KleenexMan

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#5 12 years ago
AussiePepsiWW2 is NOT WW2 without Nazi Germany

Technicaly the snowballing effect of World War 2 started before the invasion of Poland with Japans attacks on neighboring countrys. This is the primary reason why America became involved in the war. Japan was already at war with another nation and America was choking Japan's resource lifeline. And as we all know, whilke things where being talked out and Japan played nice they where planning the attack of Pearl Harbor. It would have happened with or without the Germans. In this case though if the Germans had not invaded Poland and the Americans wern't gearing up for proper defences who knows what would have been the outcome to Pearl Harbor. Perhaps with the Japanese, realising that America was not prepared for such an attack would have came back and taken Pearl Harbor. America, with no harbor to properly rebuild its fleet and an army and mechanised army that was not up to the task yet would most likely call upon European, and maybe Russian allies to attack Russia. Thus evolving into full blowen World War without Nazi Germany.




Rikupsoni

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#6 12 years ago
BFE - Queen Naga However my scenario is of like Red Alert, what if Stalin in 1939 invaded Europe with all his military technology at that point, agains't all the European nations current technology of that year. Perhaps even the intervention of U.S and Commonwealth around middle 1940?

And the Red Army's technology was great at that time? Any proof? Oh yeah Winter war.. There is no way he could advance..




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#7 12 years ago
RikupsoniAnd the Red Army's technology was great at that time? Any proof? Oh yeah Winter war.. There is no way he could advance..

Living in Russia gives one a unique perspective of how to fight during the winter. This is an advantage that will be unmatched by any army that has not been trained in extreem winter combat.

Also Russian technology wasn't that great throughout the entire war. This makes little difference because in 1939 it was on par with what was around at that time. Thing is that the Germans where prepared to invade Russia and knew what equipment they had and how to deal with it. Not to mention that the T-34 was in production in 1940 before the final ability of Germany to be able to produce the Tiger in 1942, even though the Tiger had been on the drawing board since 1937. However if Germany had to press it into service to deal with the Russian T-34 as it was ment to be used for in WW2 then it would not be the Tiger that we have seen in WW2. However the T-34 would still be the sloped armor diesel powered supertank compaired to what anyone else in mainland Europe had at the time. Not technicologicaly great but more than a match for what was out there, not to mention that since Russia dosen't have to move its industry because of the invading Germans...imagine the sheer ammount of output made by tank factories.




Rikupsoni

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#8 12 years ago

By Winter war I mean war between Finland and Russia in 1939-1940. And these tough russians really have advantage at winter, here they are. (Russians) 391214KaatuneitaNeuvostosotilaita.jpg400229ItaLemetinKaatuneita.jpg400107RaatteenTiePakkasenUhri.jpg




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#9 12 years ago
RikupsoniBy Winter war I mean war between Finland and Russia in 1939-1940. And these tough russians really have advantage at winter, here they are. (Russians) 391214KaatuneitaNeuvostosotilaita.jpg400229ItaLemetinKaatuneita.jpg400107RaatteenTiePakkasenUhri.jpg

You should look at these pictures a bit closer. All of them capture Russian soldiers who have been defeated. Note the disarray of the bodies, and the equipment in the first picture. Its almost as though a cleanup crew had moved them there after they where defeated. Also in the second picture...its obvious that that convoy has been attacked and the members killed. As for the third picture it looks as though the company that this person was in no longer exists. Whats with all the people walking around in the background. Point is that the Russians where prepared for winter fighting more so than Germany or the rest of the farther west European nations.

Edit: Also just because he has a hard time taking Finland dosen't mean that the rest of Europe will offer the same resistance. Lets not forget though that the Nazi's also took part in this Winter War. How? From 1936 untill he died Stalin did not trust any of his commanders etc. He executed many top generals and military stratagists and government officials. This power vaccuume caused many defeats in the Red Army. Without Germany interfeering and telling Staling false information about traitors in his command and ranks then the Red Army would be totaly different.




Rikupsoni

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#10 12 years ago

Well, the point is did Russians have advantage in Winter War, and did they do good? The fact is that they were the victims of General Winter and General Frost, and that tens of thousands russians just got frozen to death..

The Finnish propaganda also had something like this; THE WHITE DEATH (pic of a frozen soldier) This is your worst enemy, it cannot be seen or defeated, still it surrounds you from everywhere.

And that was very succesful propaganda..




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