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stylie

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#1 12 years ago

So whats up with this fan map pack. half of them have already been released before. Nuenen? Blah! Thats just a sunny day in a boring village, Lets get back Trois Ponts, that map had some feel to it. My suggestion is irrelevant as its already happenned, but why couldnt any fan maps that made it into "map packs" just have been included with any subsequent patch release like Ramelle did. If the maps are good enough to be re-released, then they should have been in .7 and any new map-packs be completely new. There are plenty of mappers out there that deserve a little attention. Happy about Tulagi though!!!! But Nuenen is a weak map at best. Either way we have been through ALL of the maps a million times, This new map pack should have all new maps because any map that makes it into a map pack should just get included with the next release. Obviously not FH42 but FH2. Discuss... :drink:




Fuzzy Bunny

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#2 12 years ago
stylieany map that makes it into a map pack should just get included with the next release. Obviously not FH42 but FH2. Discuss...

Agreed 100%. Variety is good. If maps/vehicles are good enough to make it into Fan Mappacks, they should be included!




pvt. Allen

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#3 12 years ago

If a map that was before in a mpa pack got into it again it means taht it deserved it. It has to have changed gameplay and, what more new features like redone parts of amp, new statics, weapons... Also maps that made into map packs were not released in newer versions of FH because map pack is a place for them, tehy realy have to prove being worthy of FH and not be submited for map pack to get into the mod. Also why should tehy be included in next releases if you can download them in separate files? FH is a one big mod and devs are taking care to keep it in reasonable size in comparsion to content. Anyway belive me, maps that made into this map pack deserved it and were changed if were there before. All of them are great maps, none of them is boring imo.




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#4 12 years ago

Well, since your talking about maps getting boring, does the BF2 engine support custom maps like counter strike? There are so many great FH maps out there but its very hard to play a lot of them on servers because people have to go to your site and download them. If there is a way to have them auto-update....... Oh man! FH2 would be pulling some serious murder charges on the other games! I can see how they get boring. It seems like servers (the one I play on included) need to mix up their map list a bit. I liked how 2ACR had all desert maps one day and battle of the bulge maps another. I don't know if they still do that but it was a good idea. I think BF2 maps are far more boring because there are so few. So to me, BF2 gets boring after you play the good city maps and get stuck playing some stupid air and armor camp map in lame ass Chicom land or whatever. Burma maps would be nice. Good match ups between the Grant/Lee tanks against the Ha Go and such. Also, the Aussies used a Tillda 2 flame tank.... how bad ass would that be?!?!

Also, what about OLD FH maps? I miss the old school Foy and I think another one was called Nancy. Those were GREAT maps. Why can't we have old Foy and new Foy? We have EA Stalingrad and FH Stalingrad? Old Foy was my fav map and it was so fun to play in a match.




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#5 12 years ago

The whole point of a fan map pack is that they released as fan maps (in one pack), the best fan maps out there (including "older" ones) have been collected, all played and after an internal debate by the devs and testers a limited amount of maps went true to get in the final 0.7 mappack. Having every map in there would make it too big. Bringing out a patch for the "older" maps often wouldn't work because too much as been edited (more then a just .con files). In addition the mappacks need to be userfriendly so no "upgrades" and "patches". One simple download should be all you need to play the fan maps selected by the devs and testers.

Keep in mind that some of the older maps though "good" were not good enough to be included aswell. Automatically including all maps would be a big mistake. And I wouldn't know howmany people would like to download a 1 gig map pack (of which half aren't exceptionally great or hardly will be played at all). :lookaround:

If you will see the final list of maps in this latest mappack you won't have much to cry over in my opinion. If you want even more maps there is (was?) a certain community called forgottenmaps.net.




Fuzzy Bunny

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#6 12 years ago

So you're basically saying that "they should stay in the map pack because they're in the map pack"?

I disagree--if something's good enough to be selected, it would benefit the mod and everyone if it could be included in the next actualy FH release. Having it as part of a mappack gives people the opportunity to test it a bit more thoroughly without it being in the core distribution, and if it's good enough to last, moving it to the main distribution would free up mappack slots for new, promising maps. I don't think anyone's talking about including _all_ maps from the fan mappacks in the main distribution, but it's a shame to see a lot of the really hot ones (I can't think of any from the last mappack, except maybe the Finnish one which was a bit feature-poor, that don't merit this discription) out of circulation for the time it takes to adapt them to a new version's fan mappack.

FH is already massive, so size is not going to be a good criterion, and this would sort of be a nice "farm league" approach for FH to have access to more mappers/modelers/skinners than just the core team, with good quality control. Or am I totally off?

My main reasoning for not keeping maps separate if they're really really good is that you exactly have to download separate files. It makes server operators reluctant to run them if people keep getting disconnected with "map not found".

pvt. AllenIf a map that was before in a mpa pack got into it again it means taht it deserved it. It has to have changed gameplay and, what more new features like redone parts of amp, new statics, weapons... Also maps that made into map packs were not released in newer versions of FH because map pack is a place for them, tehy realy have to prove being worthy of FH and not be submited for map pack to get into the mod. Also why should tehy be included in next releases if you can download them in separate files? FH is a one big mod and devs are taking care to keep it in reasonable size in comparsion to content. Anyway belive me, maps that made into this map pack deserved it and were changed if were there before. All of them are great maps, none of them is boring imo.



pvt. Allen

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#7 12 years ago
FuzzyBunnySo you're basically saying that "they should stay in the map pack because they're in the map pack"? I disagree--if something's good enough to be selected, it would benefit the mod and everyone if it could be included in the next actualy FH release. Having it as part of a mappack gives people the opportunity to test it a bit more thoroughly without it being in the core distribution, and if it's good enough to last, moving it to the main distribution would free up mappack slots for new, promising maps. I don't think anyone's talking about including _all_ maps from the fan mappacks in the main distribution, but it's a shame to see a lot of the really hot ones (I can't think of any from the last mappack, except maybe the Finnish one which was a bit feature-poor, that don't merit this discription) out of circulation for the time it takes to adapt them to a new version's fan mappack. FH is already massive, so size is not going to be a good criterion, and this would sort of be a nice "farm league" approach for FH to have access to more mappers/modelers/skinners than just the core team, with good quality control. Or am I totally off? My main reasoning for not keeping maps separate if they're really really good is that you exactly have to download separate files. It makes server operators reluctant to run them if people keep getting disconnected with "map not found".

I don't mean taht if map was included before has to be now. But belive me, these maps deserved it again, tehy are changed and they go along with much more new maps. So it means that they were discussed and included again like new map, if there wolud be better maps they woludn't make it into. As for size, it is important too, otherwise we wolud have alot more of higher resolution skins than usual.




stylie

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#8 12 years ago

I can understand tulagi as it has been reduced to make it lesslagi , LOL. To simplify, Ramelle IIRC, was on a previous mappack and made it into .7. Tulagi received rave reviews and everyone loves it and it should be played, it just wasnt feasible and alot of people had problems running. So the map is reworked and re-released. Im sure it would have made it into .7 Im with everything so far. Why Nuenen, which is basically an intersection, nothing special!?!? and why not Chartres or Trois Ponts (too be honest, I dont know if they are in the new mappack). All Im saying is if they are good enough for the devs, who decide and test with betas... and they DO NOT make it into a following patch (Excluding Tulagi which arguably, should never had been released until reworked, it had to show sign of trouble in testing) then why re-release them? They obviously were not good enough to begin with. Sounds like somebody pushed hard enough at the top!!!

Sounds a little... "dice-y"!!!




pvt. Allen

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#9 12 years ago

First, Ramelle-Neuville was never in the Forgotten Hope Official Fan Map Pack. It was part of Otolikos Map Pack wich had some great Normandy maps, interest in them was so big that they were incorporated into FH after reworking a little. You say that Tulagi is nececary because "that and this" was cahnged, how do you know if Nuenen hasn't also been changed enough to be taken into again? Some reworked maps are not only playing better or have fixed bugs, but are playing different and have new stuff added. Also belive me that fan maps are being polished as much as possible before the release, so previous Tulagi wasn't unfinished. This time BadSeed used different technics to achive the feeling of jungle. Besides some things can't be done witout high requirements or performance problems on certain engine.




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#10 12 years ago

I hope Zitadelle will make it to the fan map pack. I miss it... It was the best eastern front map ever! :(