Add KS-12 85mm Flak gun for soviets -1 reply

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#11 15 years ago

I say no to the ks 85mm, the bofors is very good place holder for there regular aa gun, and the soviet just got a fixed gun in 66( or was it 65) that has ammo switching, (ap or he). Also there is no map where the soviet use the flak 18 as a placeholder, or even at all unless there overunning german positions. Other countries are much more in need of fixed weapons then soviets, and even among soviet field pieces there beter options floating around, such as some of those other AA guns people are mentioning.




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#12 15 years ago

I vote yes, it's also used as anti tank :)




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#13 15 years ago

they just got a anti-tank gun, and its got he shells to boot. If it comes time for more soviet aa, there's better AA guns options then the KS. The whole premise of the thread, that the KS was needed to replace a flak 18 "placeholder" for historical accuracy is wrong anyway, as the flak 18 isnt used this way.




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#14 15 years ago

I believe he meant replace the 88s on Prok at the forward Russian bases with the 85s so the guns still have dual purpose.




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#15 15 years ago

Meh different countries, different strokes- this function shifting can happen for other countries too. Part of the fun of fh is that different force strategies can come out, so rather then forcing 'tank' to 'tank' it can be tank destroyers and infantry tanks vs. mbts. In any case, what are the numbers of production of soviet AA and AT guns of different periods- and specificall how many ks 85s were setup this way and actually used dual role.




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#16 15 years ago
MazzI believe he meant replace the 88s on Prok at the forward Russian bases with the 85s so the guns still have dual purpose.

you are correct and to avoid any confusion this is the FLAK-18 S3411AL.JPG btw i also suggest that 37mm gun replace the bofors for the soviets and possibly even for the devs to include the 25mm gun both single/dual.




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#17 15 years ago

i would opt for a The 76.2 mm F-22 Model 1936 http://www.battlefield.ru/guns/field_4.html

germans converted many of them into AT guns they were used in all theathers some in North Africa.

note the muzzlebreak as the gun was re-tooled to take German shells. It should replace the the Pak 40 in North Africa. arm_ft_hood_4th_id_museum_7,62mm_pak_36.jpg




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#18 15 years ago
Artie Buccoi would opt for a The 76.2 mm F-22 Model 1936 http://www.battlefield.ru/guns/field_4.html germans converted many of them into AT guns they were used in all theathers some in North Africa. note the muzzlebreak as the gun was re-tooled to take German shells. It should replace the the Pak 40 in North Africa. arm_ft_hood_4th_id_museum_7,62mm_pak_36.jpg

How close is its performance to the german 88mm as the one on the tiger tank? Having a"pak88" could make short work of even the matilda.




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#19 15 years ago
The 13th RaptorHow close is its performance to the german 88mm as the one on the tiger tank? Having a"pak88" could make short work of even the matilda.

Performance was slightly better than the PAK 40 and it would make short work of Matildas.




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#20 15 years ago
Draygonisyou are correct and to avoid any confusion this is the FLAK-18 btw i also suggest that 37mm gun replace the bofors for the soviets and possibly even for the devs to include the 25mm gun both single/dual.

Oh I though you were getting confused over the ones that can appear somtimes, after a flag is captured. As for those ones on the border, I think the assumption there is they were recently captured/overtanken ones, rather then a semi-incorrect place holder of the ks-12. The M-1939 was almost exclusively used for AA, and only used for ground when circumstances required-namely when there was not enough 76's around. The gun had some drawbacks for AT works, namely a higher profile and some other details and the 76mm at gun was preffered. One noted use of it in the ground role was when it ended up in this role around kursk, so its by no mean unreasonable there. (though it probably would not have been put so close to the front lines, being more valuble then other guns). However, it was far from being a standard dual use gun- its better to say it was AA gun with some notable use in the ground role. Also, the gun in T-34/85, the D5-T was not this same gun, but only one developed from it, and despite being very similar there were some differences. Given all that, its not a very good choice after the ZiS 3, as there are both better AT guns and more numerous AA guns to be done, which Is why I did not think it was a good choice. Of the other two you mention, the 37mm would be largely a waste of time because as already mentioned, the bofors extremely close placeholder and is done pretty accurately- and for the same work there are more distintive choices. The 25 mm I will agree though would be nice, especially with selectable ammo.




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