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Nagato

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#11 16 years ago

Italians need a surrender kit, like white flag and etc...




Puma2005

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#12 16 years ago

LOL it will be great that if this kind of kit is created. Also you might just explain that why the Italian suffered relatively low casualty during WW2. :D and switched side when their side was losing.

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Meadow

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#13 16 years ago
Puma2005LOL it will be great that if this kind of kit is created. Also you might just explain that why the Italian suffered relatively low casualty during WW2. :D and switched side when their side was losing.

LOL yeah I heard that some American soldiers surrendered when taking severe losses and being given stupid orders from their high command!!! GIVE THE USA A WHITE FLAG KIT THEY ARE A BUNCH OF PUSSIES!!11111ONE ROFLOL. *cough*




Montoya

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#14 16 years ago

see? it took less than 20 posts to start the "lol omg country-xyz sucks" flames.

but yes; early desert war maps are a good idea - first we need italians though :P




terminal-strike

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#15 16 years ago

true, you need to do your *cough* favorite tank mont, the fiat 3000.:p




Kakoru

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#16 16 years ago

Doesn't this kind of jokes always go against the French? Anyway, an Italien early offensif campaign would be great!

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Montoya

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#17 16 years ago
terminal-striketrue, you need to do your *cough* favorite tank mont, the fiat 3000.:p

*foams at the mouth* bloody crap tank! *throws shoe at terminal-strike* :p

Edited for language.




silian

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#18 16 years ago

Ahh the Italians, the only country to have army brothels... The Fiat AB 611 Armoured car was a great example of Italian Military thinking: Its top speed was 45mph, and it was able to do the same speed in reverse! attachment.php?attachmentid=24928&stc=1




emonkies

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#19 16 years ago
silianAhh the Italians, the only country to have army brothels... The Fiat AB 611 Armoured car was a great example of Italian Military thinking: Its top speed was 45mph, and it was able to do the same speed in reverse! attachment.php?attachmentid=24928&stc=1

I would hardly call that a cowardly design of the Italians. In general armored cars were intended for reconnasaince and patrol and were not intended to stand up and fight.

There are several German and British armored car designs that were as fast inreverse as forward and some of the German armored cars had dual driving controls for both ends. Even now the Germans Luchs armored car has a driver at both ends.

As for the fighting against the Italians, yes the Brits did walk over the Italians. Mussolini ordered Graziani to attack and at first he refused saying his Army was a garrison force and was not mobile enough, was not trained properly, and was ill -equipped to engage the British forces.

At this stage Italians and Brits were mostly operating biplane fighters. Italians were not well versed in armored warfare whereas the British had one of the best iin the Matilda II. Most Italian troops were not motorized whereas the majority of the British troops were motorized and a sizeable number of them were armored in Bren gun carriers.

It is the true the Brits danced across the backs of broken Italian tanks on their way through Libya but the Italians by neccesity did learn how to use artillery, armor, and infantry together.

Some battles that could make interesting maps.

Battle of Mechili on Jan 23rd 1941. Brits are determined to cut off and encircle the Italian garrison there but run into strong resistance. Brits and Italians suffere roughly equal losses in tanks and men. 3 days later the Italians slip out of Mechili and withdraw. The encirclement failed.

On Feb 2nd 1941 Battle of Keren in Eritrea, Brits run into fortress defences but cant crack it. Brits wait to build reserves before attempting again. Keren holds tol March27th 1941.

November 19th 1941at Birl El Gobi, large tank battle consisting mostly of British 4th and 22nd Armored Brigade and Italian Ariete Division. The two Brit Brigades were mauled and had to be sent to rear to regroup.

November 23-28th. Italians fought bravely at El Duda but were defeated by New Zealand troops. South across the Valley battle of Sidi Rezegh rages.

Dec 4th-7th 1941. Bir El Gobi again. Italians engage 4th Armored Brigade and 11th Indian Brigade and inflict heavy casulties forcing both units to withdraw for regouping.

Dec 4th Alam Haza. Italian Ariete and Trieste Divisons have to fight through British 4th Armored brigade and 7th Support group to withdraw to the Axis lines. They succeed in doing so and inflict heavy casulties while also suffering heavily. "The Italian M-13 tanks which, as a result of the previous campaign, we had inclined to dismiss as valueless, fought well, and had an appreciable effect on the battle." - General Claude Auchinleck.




silian

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#20 16 years ago

It was just a joke, but still the Italians got their asses kicked in all the theatres that they saw combat in: North Africa, East Africa, Greece, Southern France, Russia, Italy and the Battle of Britain, they might have had successful battles, but these were relatively few and far between, in most actions the Italians were well and truly trounced, just look at their campaign's in Southern France and Greece, during both they had a numerically superior force, but still they somehow managed to loose.