I was suprised to see that the Sherman Firefly has the hull MG position. Due to the much larger diamater 17lbr rounds the ammo storage in the side sponsons was greatly reduced. To compensate a ammo box was installed in the R.O./hull gunner position.
Some crews did leave the hull MG in place to give German infantry something to think about.
"From Middle East AFV Technical Liaison Letter 25, 16 December 1944 (courtesy of Peter Brown):
3. Sherman 17 Pdr (Ic)
About 100 of those are now in the theatre and issues have been made to 2nd and 7th Armd Bdes as well as 5th Can and 4th N.Z. Armd Bdes. Operational experience is scanty but certain points have already come up: - The ammunition bin in the co-drivers compartment is of such a size and construction that it cannot be removed from the vehicle without removing the turret. This operation is necessary in order to carry out repairs to the right hand front steering brake. M.W.E.E. have a project for investigating and suggesting a remedy and it appears probable that it will be necessary to make this bin of bolted instead of welded construction so that it can be dismantled and removed piecemeal. "
Not like anyone uses the hull MGs in Shermans or anything as it is.. especially not with a long-range tank destroyer. I wouldn't miss it at all.
Yeah dont think many people would miss it. Only use I have for it is when riding with the tank, if you come under fire you can drop down into a protected position.
i use the hull mg quite often actaully, its also good 2 use when settin up an ambush since u can pop down and the engine aint runnin so they cant hear ya
On Tigers or Panthers I can understand people risking their lives by sitting in a position that's nearly worthless.
They have about a 20 degree cone of fire. They can't see shit. The muzzle flash covers the ENTIRE screen and blinds you for every shot. You are putting your life in the hands of a driver that may or may not be a complete asshat. You are throwing tracers out giving away the position of the tank. You will PROBABLY be facing a wall the whole time while the turret is turned sideways shooting at something. Shermans are one-hit-kills for 80% of the other tanks in the game and filling it up with 2 or 3 people is wasting people that could be used on other units to help the team win. There's a few other hundred reasons why its not worth my time or anyone else's to use that position.
but its so satisfying to see a PIAT/ satchel team sneak up thinking u cant see them because the turret is firingsomewhere else and dispatching them quickly and ruthlessly
Yep, most times those position are pretty useless, except when you point the turret rearwards and enemy thinks he can sneak past your tank, while you're aiming at him in the hull gunner position or vice versa with tanks with rear gunner.
Actually aproaching tank hunters would notice that the hull MG is occupied because the tank has the name of the soldier written in BIG FRIENDLY (BLUE) Letters all over the place.
I use the hull MG position sometimes when hitching a ride and fire only to give some covering fire to keep enemy heads in the sand when the my tanks approach is obvious.
The only time Ive ever used it is if I am engaging infantry at long range, and want a more accurate MG platform that the coaxle can offer. I would say remove it. But, please dont forget to fix the Sherman M2 position in .66! Its still suicide to be up there.