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D-Fens

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#1 13 years ago

I'm quite amazed by the good accuracy you have while standing or kneeling with the PTRD, Pzb35 or Boys. The crosshair spreads little and closes fast. The PTRD was 202cm long and weighed 16,3kg. Compare this with the Bar 1918. Its crosshair spreads twice as much as the anti tank rifles. It weighed ca 9kg and was 121 cm long. Does this make any sense? I think you should reduce bar1918 spread and increase the sway dramaticly for standing and crouching with atrs.




Arisaka

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#2 13 years ago

what's also bothering is, possibly a BF bug, not FH, the boys (and probably other ATR) can sway when you lay down. i haven't tried to reproduce the bug, but it happened several times when playing. it swayed as if i was standing.

and i agree - accuracy while standing (moving is not even an issue) should be nonexistent. while crouching it should be able to hit a barn, and maybe an APC, with a CH closing time of a few seconds, but they should not expand wildly when turning. (imagine being behind an obstacle you would normally deploy on). when prone it should close pretty fast. (don't really remember how it is now)




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#3 13 years ago

Actually with both weapons you had to lie down to fire etc. But i think its fine now theres sway so you cant hit anything at range now when standing , you want more sway? You want no-one to use an antitankrifle?




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#4 13 years ago

It's lame that you can stand up and shoot accurate with them. It's not impossible to hit with the little current sway. Bar1918 was frequently used "nonprone", most even removed their bipods to decrease the weight.




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#5 13 years ago
Arisakawhat's also bothering is, possibly a BF bug, not FH, the boys (and probably other ATR) can sway when you lay down. i haven't tried to reproduce the bug, but it happened several times when playing. it swayed as if i was standing. and i agree - accuracy while standing (moving is not even an issue) should be nonexistent. while crouching it should be able to hit a barn, and maybe an APC, with a CH closing time of a few seconds, but they should not expand wildly when turning. (imagine being behind an obstacle you would normally deploy on). when prone it should close pretty fast. (don't really remember how it is now)

this say when prone bug is BF issue I beleive, if you go into third person you will see that your not actually prone but rather in a wierd position with your leggs beab back. Rather like if youl lied on the ground, but beant your legs the wrong way and lifted up your upper body. I dony no why this occurs somtimes, but it can be fixed by changin to a different weapon. It then goes to being like a normal pron positon and the swaying stops. As for the at rifles I agree I think the minum accuray and position time is off. Swining around a 40-odd pound steal rod neartl the length a man can not be done with such speed and accuracy. Also, the minimum accruay is very so they are wonderfull sniper rifles now as well, which do to them not having match grade ammo or spevial manufacture is also somewhat questionable.




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#6 13 years ago

I was just wondering, wouldn't your arms grow tired from holding such a heavy gun with its weight spread out across the length of it? Which means your arms might waver up and down abit while standing. So sway while standing makes sense to me.




D-Fens

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#7 13 years ago

yes, it would be quite hard to keep a heavy, 2 meter long rifle steady on your shoulder, next to impossible I'll wager




Sjoert

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#8 13 years ago

I really dont see any problems with the PTRD.. It takes atleast 2-3 hits to the side to take out a pz4d out at the side. Reloading time is quite long. You arent going to hit anything while standing/crouched.

I really dont want AT rifles to be useless again, like in .65 where they had extremely long reload time, pathetic damage and no one used them. Now they are atleast usefull against tanks. (Except the boys wich needs a lower reload time to compensate for lack of hitting power)

Impossible? Ah yes then it must ofcourse be not more then logical that you can bunnyhop with a machinegun eh?




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#9 13 years ago
SjoertI really dont see any problems with the PTRD.. It takes atleast 2-3 hits to the side to take out a pz4d out at the side. Reloading time is quite long. You arent going to hit anything while standing/crouched.

Thank you for telling me that I can't hit anything standing or crouching. I was sure I could since it infact is very easy, but since you say I can't I feel assured. Good thing you mention the Wz 35's reload time, the only at rifle in 0.65. A misunderstanding of the term "practical rate of fire" caused the slow rof. It's more realistic now.

I really dont want AT rifles to be useless again, like in .65 where they had extremely long reload time, pathetic damage and no one used them. Now they are atleast usefull against tanks. (Except the boys wich needs a lower reload time to compensate for lack of hitting power)

It's also good that you think it "atleast" takes two hits with 14,5mm bullets to blow up a Panzer IVD but so what? The range alone makes it a whole lot better than a bazooka vs Panzer IV anyway. But this thread isn't about nerfing reload time, rate of fire or damage so why the hell are you bringing that up? The Boys only needs to have realistic performance. Every vehicle or weapon isn't equally good. That's the difference between BG42 and FH were veryone is bunnyhopping around with at rifles with super accuracy.

Impossible? Ah yes then it must ofcourse be not more then logical that you can bunnyhop with a machinegun eh?

Uh no, you would get tired very quick of that too.




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#10 13 years ago

It doesnt make sense the crosshairs close faster then on a bar.. and i dont think the ATR were used standing up or crouced.. ever. Unless they were supported on sandbags or something like that. I would like to see them only usable when lying down.. i think thats how its suppost to be, and the reload animation is silly.. but that is another story.




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