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jumjum

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#21 15 years ago

I think a Governemnt Center map of Berlin arounf April 24- 31 would be incredible. And imagine if the game allowed both sides to, as in RL, use pf's to blast connecting holes through a row of cellars or houses so as to keep out of the killing zone in the street. Rattenkrieg like Stalingrad. Hmmmm. And what if there were SS "political officers" (see posts about Commissars, which I think is in "Russians" thread) who could summarily execute, with no penalty, any Germna soldier (and commissar for Russians) thought to be shirking duty? Ouch! City of the damned...




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#22 15 years ago

lol, i wouldnt support that even if it was possible. Tkers would flock by the hundreds to FH if an authorized tker class was added.




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#23 15 years ago

Yeah, seriously, in good hands, it would be fun, like, if you see a guy run, shoot him. But, since good handds will be far and few between, you will just have a massive TK orgy.




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#24 15 years ago

i got an idea for clearing multiple houses: small areas of destructable wall like the doors on the omaha bunkers.




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#25 15 years ago

There was no combat in the f├╝hrer bunker but a battle in and around the reichstag (remeber the photo, where a sovjet soldier takes the red flag). This would be fun...




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#26 15 years ago

FWIW, RL in the final stages Battle of Berlin, when it got into the city streets with multi-story brick buildings (last 3-5 days), there was, obviously, limited mobility. Tanks were used mostly as artillery against buildings, and the artillery pieces themselves were moved up to fire directly into buildings, using line-of-sight aiming. At first the Reds did this as-needed when they came across buildings with snipers or "rat's nest" of German soldiers. They later regularly put a few HE rounds into every likely building thay came across. Then Russian shock teams with smg's and grenades entered the "softened" buildings and cleared them. Basements and cellars were hard for direct-fire arty to reach, and if German soldiers survived, they were usually in there. If it got to that point, there was not often much fighting, because the Russians just dropped a few grenades downstairs, and end of story (for a lot of civilians, too).There was true close-quarters combat in the Reichstag itself. There some SS and other troops held out for over a day as the Russians advanced floor-by-floor in very tough fighting. These were hardcore Nazis who yelled insults and actually had conversations with the Russians as they fought. The Russian shock troops discovered they could move from house to house without exposing themselves in the open street by using captured pf's to blow a hole in the wall adjoining the next building (I imagine only a few pf strikes in an enclosed space would make you permanently deaf!). As for the defenders, there were not over 40,000 in the city itself, matched against perhaps a million Russians. Conscripts and Volksturm were for the most part miserably equipped and poor fighters. Even though the German SS troops were, as expected, mostly fighting hard, it wasn't always the case, and more than a few surrendered (or tried to). It seems to me the most fanatical Nazi fighters in Berlin were the Ukrainian and White Russian units, and the foreign SS units, particularly what was left of Nordland and Charlemagne SS divisions. The French SS in particular killed dozens of Russian tanks with pf's in the government center between the Ministry of Interior and Reichstag. Many Hitler Jugend also fought fanatically, and in one particular case, three unknown teenage HJ's held a bridge over the Spree in western Berlin under fire for four days before being wiped out. Just FWIW. Food for thought if a mondo-realistic Berlin map is ever undertaken.