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Myrddraal

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#11 16 years ago

the verlings are ruthless

I've never had too much of a problem with planes in mobile AA even if they get me I usually got them too and usually I can down a few before they get me. More often what happens is while I am covering a tank from air he drives away and then I run into an enemy tank and that ends that. Actually the M19 and the Ostwind are amazing at killing anything but tanks.




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#12 16 years ago

Yeah, the Duster gets more kills than the KT easliy. Its great for killing artillerymen, bunkers, planes, and (best of all) infantry in the open.

The German AA did not have anything like the bofors. I always think of it as a smaller, fully automatic Flack36.




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#13 16 years ago

What I was afraid of was that fighters are considered worthless unless it has a bomb on it. Fighters were still more numerous than any other type in WW2 and had to clear the path for bombers to operate.

If fighter bombers are going to be the norm then they should have a downside like modelling the performance with bombs on. Currently they have all the benefits and no downside, they are like aerial bunnyhoppers.




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#14 16 years ago
'[11PzG USMA2010']The German AA did not have anything like the bofors. I always think of it as a smaller, fully automatic Flack36.

IIRC the Bofors is i swedish design, built on license by both sides, including germany.

http://www.boforsdefence.se




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#15 16 years ago
LateralusI'd rather see a bomb-carrying FW190 and have the 109 remain a pure fighter. Jabo 109s weren't that common.

Exactly, there was a groundattack version (I think the A version), which had armor and armament laid out for this kind of operation. Fighters without bombs should have quite an advantage over fighters with bombs though. Landing planes to take up bombs is a bit exaggerated. People would just bail out and jump into the next plane, this would be faster than landing, rearming, starting and all this with the danger of strafing from enemy planes.




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#16 16 years ago

Fw-190F-8 with 4 50 kg bomb and a 250 kg bomb or bf-109E with one 250 kg bomb, i think the first one is better




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#17 16 years ago
NagatoFw-190F-8 with 4 50 kg bomb and a 250 kg bomb or bf-109E with one 250 kg bomb, i think the first one is better

But the Fw 190F didnt showed up until late war. First one in '43 i think. And is it possbile to even code it so it has 4x SC50 and 1x SC250, AND forward-firing guns (13mm in engine, or 20mm in wings). And besides, IF they can make a plane like that, it is going to be a god-damn ├╝ber-plane! With all that bombload and dogfighting capabilities. If they make the 'F with 4x SC50, they should be placing them on the Stuka too, they used the standard warload of 4x SC50 and 1xSC/SD 250/500. Conclusion: If they make the '190F with bombs (not nececerly as much as mentioned, maybe just a single SC250) for late war maps, they should make the '109E/B for early war maps. :)




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#18 16 years ago

According to my data the first Bf109 Jabo's was first seen in Summer of 1940 and were Bf109E-4's.

With a minimal of training in dive bombing techniques Erprobungsgruppe 210 was equipped with Bf109E-4's and Bf110C's for evaluation and used agaisnt Allied shipping in he Channel with excellent results. As a result all Jagdgeschwader were ordered to form one Staffel of Jabo's. Anormal Jagdgeschwader normally had 9 Staffel but with the order moist units added a 10th Staffel of Jabo's.

Many of the Jabo's were Bf109E-1's and equipped with a ETC 250 bomb rack which could carry a single 250kg bomb (550lb) or 4 x 50kg bomb (110lb). Also some Bf109E-4's were made with bomb racks from the factory. A B denotes a Jabo version such as E-4B, E-1B




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#19 16 years ago
The 13th RaptorBofors are great, with the splash damage and all.. But the axis AA seems crap, or is that just me? And being that mobile AA has no armor, a short mg burst from a plane will kill it :uhm:

Have you ever seen any plane killed by Flak splash damage?

No. Because its broken and/or not implemented correctly. The Bofors 40mm requires a direct hit to do ANY damage. Flak has nearly 0 splash damage. I've bitched about it in the past, and it went under the bridge, so I just learned to fire it a little more accurately, and now it sucks instead of blows.

I love axis AA. The 20mm Flak38 and the QUAD 20mm Vierling are great positions. The 88 kinda sucks as AA unless you get a direct hit. Same thing as above.

BTW Anschulac... you avatar is horrifying.




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#20 16 years ago

Whats horrifying about a Nekogirl with cat ears and cat gloves on?

Also keep in mind that teh Allies developed proximity fuses while the Axis never did develop a effective one, IIRC the Axis had something like 37 different seperate proximity fuse projects ongoing in WW2.