Blanaceing out the weapons in FH? -1 reply

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Starfighter

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#1 14 years ago

I just had a question are the devs in .62 going to balance out the weapons so they work right? A SMG should not be able to hit a man at 600 yards, nor should a pistol. I would suggest makeing the X hairs on all weapons to work like the pistol dose, thats more correct, and then the SMGs would work right, they can shoot way too far, and same with pistols, and rifles.




Mollbot

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#2 14 years ago

The figher plane balance is atrocious as it stands... in the Battle of Britain especially. The initial version of the Supermarine Spitfire had ONLY one flight advantage over the FW-190: its maneuverability. The game's design eliminates the advantages of fuel supply and RAF Fighter Command's excellent C3I compared to the German squadrons, so this one is of extreme importance. "...the first Fw 190A-1 aircraft entered service with JG 26 (Jagdgeschwader or Fighter Wing) in France during August 1941. In September pilots flying the new Focke-Wulf tangled with Spitfires and the Allied fighter proved inferior to the W├╝rger by almost any measure except turning radius." http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/focke_190f.htm "The Spitfire was easy to handle. It became airborne quickly, and once in the air, its maneuverability was outstanding. The combination of its speed and firepower made the Spit a deadly machine. Its eight machine guns concentrated a hail of bullets capable of tearing enemy planes at a point 300 yards in front of the craft." http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/supermar.htm




Lachrymology

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#3 14 years ago

I agree, the spitfire is technicaly very unrealistic. You can't shoot anything with that flying brick.

More over, i love you guys. Normaly, when i post something about second world war (insert great patriotic war if you are from russhia ;) ) i try to link a url for prove my sayings. But you do this faster than i can post anything else here. ;)




PanzerAce

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#4 14 years ago
2ltbenThe only reason I think FH still has them is because they can't remove them and don't have ironsights.

stfu about crosshairs and go try out a sniper rifle in FH, hmm, would you look at that, NO F***ING CROSSHAIRS! ok, sorry about that, but go play the game more if you think that they cant get rid of crosshairs, or even just pop into a non Stug tank and be amazed by the lack of cross hairs.




Lateralus

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#5 14 years ago

USMA2010umm, the FW-190s combat debut was in 1943... The Supermarine Spitfire Mk I was much better than the Meschermett Bf-109 E-4 and E-7. I was faster, had more guns, MUCH more durable, and could turn and roll at a rate so fast that a 109 in persuit would probably loose its wings. the only advantage the Emil had was in diving.

either way, the 190 A-1 entered in 41, .a year after BoB..

So much misinformation here I scarcely know where to begin.

The FW-190 became common over the Channel in 1942, with the A4 model. As has been mentioned already, there were some 190s flying in late 1941, but they were rare.

The Spitfire Mk I and the Me109E-4 had virtually identical top speeds - 357mph and 354mph @ 16,000 feet, respectively.

Just because the Spitfire had 'more guns' does not necessarily mean it had superior firepower. The Spitfire carried eight Browning .303 machine guns, whereas the 109E carried two 7.92mm machine guns and two 20mm MG/FF cannons. Cannons proved themselves to be superior weapons in air-to-air combat - their heavier, explosive shells were more effective in bringing down enemy aircraft with fewer rounds expended. Additionally, as the Battle of Britain wore on, more and more aircraft were being fitted with additional armor plate, which was much more easily penetrated by 20mm cannons than with rifle-caliber machine guns.

The Me109E rolled better than the Spitfire Mk I. The 109's best roll rate was 4.2 seconds @ 250mph.

http://www.rdrop.com/users/hoofj/Bf109E4.htm

The Spitfire Mk. I's best roll rate was 5.1 seconds @ 200mph.

http://www.rdrop.com/users/hoofj/SpitIa.htm

In addition to a better rate of roll, the DB601 engine in the 109E also had fuel injection, which the Merlin II of the Spitfire did not have. Thusly, the Spitfire could not fly inverted for any extended period of time, or the engine would be starved of fuel and cut off. This was well known by Luftwaffe pilots, and they exploited it. If a Spitfire was on their tail, their best move was a sharp negative-G dive to the deck, which the RAF pilots simply could not emulate.

The 109E could also climb better than the Spitfire.

http://www.wwiitech.net/main/britain/aircraft/spitfire/

This lists the Spitfire Mk. I's best climb as 2,550 feet per minute. The 109E had a climb rate of 2,990 feet per minute.

Lastly, as you have stated, the 109E also possessed superior dive capabilities.

So, the 109E was as fast as the Spitfire, but it climbed better, dove better, rolled better, and had superior firepower. The Spitfire had a tighter turning circle, this is true, but turning wildly does not bring down enemy aircraft.

In short, you are wrong, and I suggest you keep your trap shut about aircraft capabilities in the future, lest you make even more a fool of yourself than you have already.




Mollbot

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#6 14 years ago

Wow, rudeness appears to be a common trait around here.

If the Spitfire sucked so bad, why, when asked what he needed to defeat the British, did Hermann Goering say, "Mein Fuhrer, give me Spitfires!"?




AussieZaitsev

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#7 14 years ago

it was one of Hermann Goering's generals talking to Goering ;).




MelanchOli

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#8 14 years ago
AussieZaitsevit was one of Hermann Goering's generals talking to Goering ;).

Jap, and please allow me to brag I already posted on this subject. :D http://www.gamingforums.com/showpost.php?p=1150623&postcount=37




peckens

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#9 14 years ago
LachrymologyI agree, the spitfire is technicaly very unrealistic. You can't shoot anything with that flying brick. More over, i love you guys. Normaly, when i post something about second world war (insert great patriotic war if you are from russhia ;) ) i try to link a url for prove my sayings. But you do this faster than i can post anything else here. ;)

how can u say that the spitfire kicks so much ASS u just need to learn how to use it right




2ltben

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#10 14 years ago
PanzerAcestfu about crosshairs and go try out a sniper rifle in FH, hmm, would you look at that, NO F***ING CROSSHAIRS! ok, sorry about that, but go play the game more if you think that they cant get rid of crosshairs, or even just pop into a non Stug tank and be amazed by the lack of cross hairs.

Wow I'm an idiot. It's been so long since I've seen a sniper rifle or the Driver's View of a tank I've forgotten :D




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