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Polska

"The original one"

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#171 13 years ago
WielkiWojaklast time i checked an atlas france bordered with germany. all they had to do was cross the border and atleast divert some of the german forces from the Polish front. and while they were doing that Britain would have enough time to transfer their troops to France which they did, eventually, and then they could join the fighting. instead Poland and France got picked off one by one instead of using their combined forces. no excuse there.

Sure they could have diverted some German forces, and gain some time to set up better defense, but that wouldn't stop Poland from being invaded by the Ruskies later on.

What ever the changes might have been, Poland had no chance of winning, it was a country stuck between 2 huge forces which wanted to capture it, if the Germans wouldn't get it, the Russians would have.




Lt. Leroy

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#172 13 years ago
Seth_Soldier - like poland which react when she havs tried to attack the bolshevick in 1921 but failed and then cried

I'm sorry what? Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish-Soviet_War

According to the British historian A. J. P. Taylor, the Polish-Bolshevik War "largely determined the course of European history for the next twenty years or more. […] Unavowedly and almost unconsciously, Soviet leaders abandoned the cause of international revolution." The Bolsheviks' defeat in the war prevented Poland from becoming another Soviet republic and possibly spared Germany, Czechoslovakia and other nearby states from a similar fate.



Meadow

You might very well think that

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#173 13 years ago
WielkiWojaklast time i checked an atlas france bordered with germany. all they had to do was cross the border and atleast divert some of the german forces from the Polish front. and while they were doing that Britain would have enough time to transfer their troops to France which they did, eventually, and then they could join the fighting. instead Poland and France got picked off one by one instead of using their combined forces. no excuse there.

Bear in mind that in 1939 (heck, until 1941) the world believed that 'take on germany = lose' so of course the French didn't invade them. We (Britain and France) told Germany that war would be declared if they did not withdraw from Poland, but more than that we could not do. The French Army was NOT built as an attacking force, with slow tanks et cetera. The BEF was far too small to act on its own, too.




Oldschool

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#174 13 years ago
WielkiWojaklast time i checked an atlas france bordered with germany. all they had to do was cross the border and atleast divert some of the german forces from the Polish front. and while they were doing that Britain would have enough time to transfer their troops to France which they did, eventually, and then they could join the fighting. instead Poland and France got picked off one by one instead of using their combined forces. no excuse there.

You also have to bear in mind that Europe had just gone throught the First World War, and that Europe as a whole didn't want to go through yet another war of the magnitude of WWI, many of them were still trying to recover. By agitating Hitler any further would have brought around another war many europeans believed, thus many governments just turned their heads to Hitler's actions and didn't act until he had gone too far, thus why the period between WWI and WWII was named 'The Era of Appeasement', basically just a bunch of governements not taking action/leadership and just sucking up to Hitler so they wouldn't have to fight another costly war.




WielkiWojak

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#175 13 years ago

the combined forces of the 3 countries would be able to match those of germany. and yes poland wouldve ben invaded by russia but atleast germany's fight would have been much more costly. even tho the polish were destroyed the germans pyed a huge price in taking over such a military backward country. besides, they formally declared war, appeasement wasnt in play anymore. wats the point of eclaring war if no action was taken. also i mightve understood u incorrectly but wen the bolsheviks invaded poland in 1920 they were crushed following the "cud nad wisla" or miracle by the vistula.




oscar989

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#176 13 years ago
WielkiWojaklast time i checked an atlas france bordered with germany. all they had to do was cross the border and atleast divert some of the german forces from the Polish front. and while they were doing that Britain would have enough time to transfer their troops to France which they did, eventually, and then they could join the fighting. instead Poland and France got picked off one by one instead of using their combined forces. no excuse there.

Because of the cost of the Maginot Line, did I spell that right? France didn't have enough money to build a offensive force. So they were pretty restricted to a defensive front. BTW, type in "french military victories" onto google and press the "I'm Feeling Lucky" button and it will show you a funny website.




Nostradamouse

The Arrogant French Prick

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#177 13 years ago
oscar989Because of the cost of the Maginot Line, did I spell that right? France didn't have enough money to build a offensive force. So they were pretty restricted to a defensive front. [/quote] Its spelled right and you are right.[quote=oscar989] BTW, type in "french military victories" onto google and press the "I'm Feeling Lucky" button and it will show you a funny website.

Just dont... Dont... DOnt bring that bs around again. It has been proven irrevelent, no need to post it everywhere. I could do the same thing on how many countries Us bombed that actually finished by having a gouvernement respectuous of the human rights and democraty since WW2 and Id come with the result of 0, NIL, Nada, ziltch. Such information is useless. And if you do not believe me, well Ill try to get the info and everything where I got it (but that might be hard since that was on tv) But actually that leads nowhere and only brings hate or idiocies. Just plz, for **** sake quit posting that scrap.

Edit: Why dont we just get Socrate on the case... (3 filters test)

1st: Have you verified if its true? Id say that no, since that website has doubteous references 2nd: Are you talking about something in good? Obviously no, your laughing at it 3rd: Is it gonna serve anyone's purpose to know how bad France's army is? No...

It didnt even got through any of those, so why are you saying it?

(translated and condensed version of this) Also forgot interpreted.




WielkiWojak

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#178 13 years ago

they were still obliged to perform their duties as Polands biggest ally and shouldve helped us in the war. if polands pathetic army with cavalry troops, 500 outdated tanks and a half-destroyed airforce could hold the germans from their ultimate goal for a 5 weeks costing them more than they bargained for im pretty sure france couldve atleast aided them in the struggle. even if they both failed the outcome wouldve been the same, but germany would have been much weaker.




H2HSnake

For Your freedom and Ours

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#179 13 years ago

The United Kingdom and France honored their pledge to Poland by declaring war on Germany, but no practical assistance was rendered. according to the French-Polish military accord that was signed in May 19, 1939, France will attack Germany if Poland will be attacked. The Wehrmacht was occupied in the attack on Poland, and the Frenchmans enjoyed decisive numerical advantage on their border with Germany, but the Frenchmans didn't do any action that was able to assist attacked Poles. 9 divisions (out of 102 that were ready to action) of the French army entered to the German area in Saarland, advanced to a depth of 8 kilometers and conquered about 20 abandoned villages, without any resistance. The Saar Offensive didn't cause incitement of even one German soldier from Poland to the west. When it looked like the Germans defeating Poland, and that soon they will be able to turn soldiers to the west again, the French General Staff ordered retreat, and in October 4 the French forces returned to the positions in which they were before the attack. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Poland_during_World_War_II the betrayal did not ended in 1939 it lasted through the whole war.The true betrayal was in Yalta conference in Teheran.really more datails are in the "question of honor..." book.