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mondogenerator

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#21 15 years ago

Your forum title is accurate if that what you think;). Might want to add major misquoter to it as well :P.

I said the lessons learnt from the BoB changed the way fighters were armed;). For instance the Typhoon, originally to be equiped 'with no less than 12 .303 Machine guns' (as per the request order) was quickly rearmed with 4 hispano 20mm's when it rolled of the production lines after the battle was clearly ended and the night offensive started. All British night fighters were armed with 4 20mm's and they soley went after bombers.

And no, they did not rip them apart and they weren't lonely bombers, the LW never did anything small. They always attacked en masses with escorts.

What I posted was true, .303's were too small and under powered, pilots had to aim very specifically for them to damage planes, there to small to do structural damage. When aimed correctly they would damage engines, coolers and radiators, slip in under the radiator cowls, break lines and start fires. The round would skip over the skin when shot at a poor angle. IRL they didn't even go for the pilot, RAF doctrine on bomber attack in 1940 would be packs of several planes in a light dive, slightly faster than the bomber they were attacking, each plane taking its turn to fire then pull away all in a line astern formation.

To go even further look at pilot records for kills. They would spend upto 500 rounds or more on a single plane, highly inefficient when you can use a Hispano and fire of a short burst of 20mm to take down a plane (maybe 10-20 rounds with 5-6 of those hitting) and hit it pretty much anywhere and do serious damage.




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#22 15 years ago

mod, he-111s got raped in BoB and no matter how much you induldge yourself in this fact tweaking thats not going to change.

Pointing out that the damage was low for one plane firing in one particular way doesn't mean the whole interaction is off, and pointing out lessons learned works both ways. There were a lot of attempts to up-gun he-111s- because the armarment not effective enough.

Also, the LW did indeed do many smaller attacks. But even en masse attacks bombers could indeed get seperated. As for fighter coverage- yes usually a scant 15 minutes of it.

Its not that I think the things your pointing are wrong, its just that that there only part of the story.




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#23 15 years ago
terminal-strikemod, he-111s got raped in BoB and no matter how much you induldge yourself in this fact tweaking thats not going to change.

Belive whatever you want...reading up on the topic would change your opinion however;).

BTW the first cannon armed Spitfire Mk1 conversions saw combat 13 January 1940. Ironically both guns jammed.




[nl]Invincible

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#24 15 years ago

badly armed!! hehe

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german airial torpedo! :naughty:

thets the good stuff :nodding:




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#25 15 years ago

hahahahohoho v1 rockets and torpedos, man they sure are effective agianst enemy fighters! :fistpunch:




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#26 15 years ago

lol

*dont spoil the moment*