I'm new here, so hello everybody! With such an exciting year of games coming up, I have decided to buy a new PC. I don't know how much you appreciate newbies coming on and asking for your advice, but I need it bad. I decided to put my own together, but I don't know much. I have compiled a list of parts for you guys to look at, and tell me what is wrong and what could be balanced out better etc. I appreciate any help, thankyou. Here it is... Motherboard Gigabyte GA-K8N SKT754 Nforce 3 Sound LAN USB FSB800 ATA 133 Retail Box
CPU [color=windowtext]AMD Athlon 3200 64bit 754Pin/1 Mb L2 Cache CPU Retail Boxed[/color]
PC Case + PSU Antec Sonata Piano Black Quiet Case - 380W TruePower Silent PSU
Heatsink and Fan (for CPU) Coolermaster Jet7+ ACB-V83-U2 Cooler (Socket A)
CD/DVD Drive LG GSA 4081BB 8x DVD±R/±RW Drive
Memory (RAM) [color=windowtext]2 x Twinmos (on Twinmos) 512mb DDR400 PC3200 Cl2.5 Memory Module [/color]
FDD OcUK Value Floppy Drive
HDD Maxtor DiamondMax Plus9 200GB 8MB Cache
Video Card Sapphire ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB DDR TV-Out/DVI
Sound Card Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2
Modem [color=windowtext]Creative Labs Blaster 56k Internal Pci Modem [/color]
I'm too cool to Post
19th March 2004
Hello tre! (*waves*) [color=black] I don't appreciate newbies[/color], (you mentioned it) or more precisely people who have the internet available to them, just like eveyone else, but instead dump the responsibility of being informed onto others & expect free help/advice at the drop of a manky tissue. You have been thorough & explicit, so I don't think you come under this category - & also I don't appreciate newbies, but I do appreciate people, & I've never seen a 'newbie' in my life, I have only seen people starting out with things. Those that don't make a concerted effort to improve their own lot & continually sponge of your effort & knowledge, are acting like 'free-loaders' (that would be a better word for it not 'newbie'), that are really irritating. [color=RoyalBlue]Not everyone can be as informed at the level of others especially when its not their chosen field of speciality & not everyone has the same smarts, but people who seem to put in the least effort possible & elect to be ignorant & then get others to do their thinking for them ...they grate.[/color] Ok. Your components look ok. Sonata cases are meant to be good, Antec products are usually is certainly more than ok, & I look into this stuff all the time & was willing to buy the same model so... I cannot comment in depth on 64bit architecture as I have not considered it yet. Personally if I were buying to upgrade I would save alot more money & leave the 64 bit upgrade for a later stage - it can only plummet in price. You however seem to be set on going '64' & in doing so you are going to be paying a massive premium for AMD's current top-of-the line. Consider how many times more expensive this 3200 64 chip will be than a 2500 barton. However no way will the performance be anywhere near 6 times better - but you will be paying about 6 times as much! (I aim to buy the most performance for my money, not the most money I can spend for the top performance, you are buying to get a 64bit rig - so... look at what the best value/cheapest 64bit chip is - you may save alot of money (hundreds possibly) & you will only be compromising about 5% performance TOPS I bet you. Use the saving on the chip to offset the cost of good storage, mobo (motherboard), CPU heatsink/cooler -especially if you want a silent rig. the vantec something was the most effective & silent cooler on the market a couple of months back- & gfx components.) The penultimate best CPU in a great rig will outperform the best chip in a 'starved' rig. The reason:there is really almost no difference between the 2 chips so the rest of the system becomes very important in terms of what you can get out of them when comparing like for like. But I did read from someone who knows his 64bit platforms that the Via chipset gives superior performance to the equivalent NVidia platform for these chips. That was 2 months ago & you know how fast things can change in hardware & computing. If you don't then from day to day what you knew as optimum is supercsded always check out the latest news. Twinmos is not recommended for NForce2 chipsets as a dual DDR dimm but then the Athlon64 will does not work on NForce2 so I guess no issues there... I presume that the Sonata case will be wide enough for the height of the cooler you are getting which is taller than most due to the 'jet' fan on top. HD I would not go for drives with densities not being a multiple of 40. The reason drive platter densities are 80 GB per platter I think. So an 80GB drive will have one platter a 160 GB drive will have 2. But a 120GB drive will also have 2 platters but only use 1 and a 1/2. There is more heat etc. caused by the extra platters but you are not even using 1/2 the other platter so its a shame to encumber the mechanism with it. Even if you don't agree with that I believe 160GB drives outperform 200GB drives. I would go for a maxtor 160GB or if you are going to be shifting large amounts of data to an fro from the hard drive in large file sizes why not go for 2 x 160 GB in raid 0 configuration? This has the effect of dividing the mechanical latency across 2 units & will mean your overall HD access times will be lowered. Do plent of research into your DVD burner - ensure that it works with the most readily available & reliable media. Also if you are planning on relying on DVD RW discs realise that due to the greatly reduced size of the 'pits' on the surface of a DVD that they are less robust & need FAR greater care than CDRW discs if you wish to be able to rewrite data to them reliably. You don't want to be guessing whether you will be able to get at the last write you made to the disc further down the line. CD & DVD disc surfaces have to be *pristine* to guarantee a reliable write/burn. Why are you going for a soundcard? The mobo's 5.1 -6.1 surround chip is surely good enough for a gamer? Also its bizarre but as important as anything else here is your choice of screen. I presume you are quite happy with your present display. Keep an eye out for tumbling prices on high-tech modern displays however. What display make model are you using at the moment? Get the cheapest modem you can - I saw some very good ones based around an Intel chip somewhere for £9. Now the key bit for gamers - Gfx card. On this as with the rest of the system the best bit of advice I may be able to give you is to hold the purchase of the system as it seems that NVidia & ATi are going to announce their new cards at a conf. during the first weeks of April. This is bound to have a knock on effect on the current line of gfx cards. Also its all change on the hardware front, as the introduction & manufacture of PCIExpress & other new standards such as DDR2 look set to bump all current tech to the 'last-gen'[color=RoyalBlue](enaration)[/color] pile & in the process prices will have to re-adjust. So now is perhaps the time to hold out that bit longer for better value for money... What do you think?:tooleet: (what the hell is this smilie getting at?!?)
My Blood Is Olive Drab
19th November 2003
Nice, I play games and thats much better than my heapo'junk.
bit off the 64bit thing though, my friend tells me it causes a few probs, apparently over 70% of the people who bought it when it was released sent it back having problems with the thing 'destroying' their Pc's.
stick to a 3000+, as Zer0sum said, they can only plumet in price.
интеллектуальныйразр аботч ик
30th July 2003
dont go w/the 64-bit. its not worth the price. once more and more 64-bit processors get out there and programs actually utilize it fully, then it'll be something to consider.
Feel the fire
26th February 2004
Get a P4, they are better than athlon and run better on windows, also if you can overclock, or know a guy/girl who can, get a P42.6 c, they are easy to overclock, i know a guy who got it up to 4ghz!!! he is a freak though, but normally you can get them to 3.0ghz with no problem.
Thanks guys, I'll look at other processors now. I think I'll have to reconsider a different motherboard too. Though I may stick with my current (they were advised by others with technical knowledge). I'll post up what I can find.
Battlefield 2 ROX!
15th January 2004
ahh........ where do you guys get this crap info. Ply3r 17 id like to know were you heard that, 70% AMD would have pulled the proc of the shelves by now, so thats obviously not true. Vodkaman, the price of Athlon 64's are still lower than the competitive P4's, heck i put together my 64 bit system for about 1800, and its all high class parts. Urak'gol, your tight the P4-2.6C is a great OC chip, i had one, with little watercooling nothing to teribbly fancy you can get 30% OC pretty easy. just 2.6C are getting scarce so hurry if you want that. Not nocking on you guys but you sound a little to extreme about your stance with which chip you prefer, C' mon there is very little difference really. AMD - you get great gaming, and future scalability(64bit) Intel - you get insane media encoding and editing capability. thats about sums up the difference.
Ah, some re-assurance! I'm gonna go for the AMD64, I don't ever plan on upgrading the processor, I never have done that, just buy a whole new base unit when I'm in desperate need. Thankyou once again for all of your help.
I take what n0e says way too seriously
1st March 2003
Erm....well, dont expect to utilize a 64 bit processor for a few years. You don't seem like the type to run a render farm....and I's assume you're a Windows user, and I dont belive the 64 bit edition has been released AOTD.
I'm too cool to Post
17th July 2003
I was looking on NewEgg and they had a Micro ATX Athlon 64 mobo for $89 and a Athlon 64 3200 with 512K of L2 cache for $225 or so with CPU fan. Thats not that expensive for 64 bit processing. The only requirement is DDR400 memory which I dont currently have.
And AMD or INTEL is a matter of preference.