Sorry if this has already been chewed over and regurgitated 100 times over but I don't have time to read all these posts in their entirity. The original post was regarding the reliability of AMD chips Vs. Intel. I have worked for a company building new and refurbing systems for a little over a year and I can only remember one instance of a dead Intel chip (notably with damaged packaging that appeared to have been opened) while we had countless dead AMD chips. Why? I have no idea. This is not uncommon either. One guy brought a PC with an AMD Duron in for repair that would just not boot. I reseated the CPU and it was fine. He took it home and it wouldn't boot. Tried reseating the CPU and it was dead. We got a new Duron and it worked fine. A few weeks later he bought an identical system in with exactly the same problem; this time reseating did nothing. This on a system that is little over a year old. I'm not an Intel lover -- or whatever box you put those sort of people -- I believe in buying the best product for price/performance at the time. I think anyone that goes out and buys a 64-bit chip before we have a decent 64-bit OS is a complete fool. Sure it's a great 32bit pricessor too but why pay the extra? For over 4GB RAM? And what is with AMD's naming convention: A 3000+ chip running at less than 2.2Ghz?? In my opinion Intel chips are worth the little extra you pay for the 3yr warranty.
all i know is that amd surpass intell in fp apps and game performance. thats all i need.
No one wonders why would anyone post to a thread which was dead for nearly three years?
I think you should be comparing a Intel boxed P4 to a AMD Blister packed XP.
I am by trade a computer technician. We sold boxed AMD and Intel and Grey market AMD and INTEL. The boxed CPU's from INTEL and AMD we never had a problem with.
The Grey market CPU's we had some problems with and that was because of the overclocking craze. I caught several CPU's that had the pitts filled and signs of tampering.
The two by far biggest problems with AMD we had were
1)Improper installation of the heatsink/fan on the CPU leading to chipped and cracked cores. Boot to the head of AMD for not using the spreader plate like Intel uses and AMD 64's now have. You have no idea of what pissed means til you tell them their $300 CPU is not under warranty because they broke it installing it. We started offering free installation of the CPU as the only way we would honor the warranty.
2) Usage of the wrong fan. When the XP came out and latter when the hotter Thoroughbreds came out weha da large problem with people trying to use old ower rpm fans and small heatsinks. We had people coming in with K6 HSF's on their XP's and the CPU got hot enough to turn the thermal grease dark brown. A few even melted the resin around the core.
I made sure that we were carrying copper fans or fans with the copper plate in the middle.
Another reason for AMD's higher failure rate was that at the time AMD had alot more transistors per CPU. With the Bartons and Athlon 64's and latter P4's the failure rate has just about evened out.
And I have a roughly 3 year old XP1800 and a 2 year old XP2200 that are systems I use daily. My 3rd system is a 2 year old P4 1800 and I have had zero problems with any of them.
I have also noticed that I have less problems with failures and Windows crashing by using quality components. Where I worked we used to sell some no name generic crap and had windows stability problems. All of my stuff is name brand and I have had zero problems even when I ran WIN98.
I just built a brand new computer using AMD for the first time. I am using an Athlon 64 3400+. It came with its own heatsink/fan. My old computer is using an Intel P4 1.9 Ghz. I must say that my AMD is much better than my old computer. I do agree with the heat problem though. Does anyone know the safe temp for an athlon to run at? Mine runs around 35-40C (temp reader is on side of fan). *EDIT* I looked at the AMD website and from what I can tell, it says that it will run at 70C! Is that what you guys see it as meaning? If that is true, then I am really cool.(Pun intended)