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Dr.Fritz

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#21 15 years ago

Well i found a Shinryu Type 2, i guess in a way the tail looks like a Me 163.shinryu2.jpg




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#22 15 years ago
Anlushac11Ther Germans were taking costal lighters and small ships and had cut the noses out to add ramps to off load tanks. I dont now what the proper term for them is but I have seen pics of them crusiign the coast and in The German Canal. The USN LCM in the Pacific is probably the closest but its much too wide and doent have a big enough wheelhouse or a smokestack. RAF raids on the port facilities where craft were being prepared destroyed a number of the impromptu landing craft so that is another reason teh riads were postponed.[/QUOTE] I'd really enjoy a pic of these:naughty:, if you could find one. [QUOTE=wjlaslo]The sucide kit is in the first (?) maybe second bunker north of the ramp to get on Iwo Jima. That's also where the American shotgun is when they cap the first/second flag. As for the pilot pack I thought it was right next to the N1K1s and the zero. Yes I would love an Operation Sealion map. We just need the equivalent of the big landing craft that could put a Panzer II, III, or IV on the beaches, plus the infantry LCVP you suggested. I cast my vote there.

So I guess we're off the LVCP, as it now seems to be only big LST style ships. And- YOU FOUND THE BLOODY SHOTY:eek: ? How the hell have I missed it?




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#23 15 years ago
sgtsuckyshotI will say this ONCE more, the Japanese were NEVER going to build copies of any German planes! They redesigned the me262 into the Kika, which was smaller and could be launched from carriers, and they turned the Komet into the Type 2, which was larger, had greater fuel capacity, two smaller engines rather than one big one, and had better armament- 4x 20mm cannons in the nose.

Wanna bet? :deal:

The Japanese intended to liscence build copies of the Me-163B, The IJN version was to be called the J8M Shusui. The IJAAF version was to be the Ki-200. The J8M weighed 900lbs less than the Me-163B and was to have carried 2 x Ho-5 30mm cannons. The Ki-200 also weighed about 900lbs less and was to carry 2 x Ho-105 30mm cannons. The lesser weight was due to a lighter airframe and the removal of the armor plate for the pilot.

The Japanese entered the picture in 1943. The Japanese were quite aware of the development of the U.S. Boeing B-29 "Superfortress" and the resultant problems which would arise from trying to combat this aircraft. The Army and Navy attaches in Berlin had been informed of the work on the Me163 under the Nippon-German Technical Exchange Agreement. The Japanese saw the value in the high-speed fighter which was able to attain combat altitude in mere minutes as a means to battle the coming B-29 threat. Both the Navy and Army attaches and their staff visited Erprobungskommando 16 and this only peaked their desire to obtain this aircraft, despite being told of all the hazards involved with operating this type of plane. Unshaken by the dangerous nature of the Me163, the Japanese swiftly entered into negotiations for the licenses to manufacture the Me163B and the Walter HWK 509A rocket engine. The engine license itself cost the Japanese 20 million Reichsmarks. Germany was to provide the following by March 1, 1944:

# Complete blueprints of the Me163B and the HWK 509A engine # One complete Me163B, two sets of sub-assemblies and components # Three complete HWK 509A engines # Maintain contact with the Japanese military attache in Berlin, informing them of any improvements and developments in the Me163 program so that they could be incorporated into the Japanese version # Allow the Japanese to study the manufacturing processes for both the Me163 and the HWK engine # Allow the Japanese to study Luftwaffe operational procedures for the Me163

Two submarines were readied to carry the complete Me163B, the HWK motor, blueprints, and other technical information. Of the two submarines, one was sunk enroute, taking with it the Me163B, blueprints, and the other data needed for its manufacture. This left only a basic instructional manual on the Me163B in the hands of naval mission member Cdr. Eiichi Iwaya who rode in the other submarine with the HWK engine.

shuusui01.jpg shuusui02.jpg shusui_dark.jpg

The Kikka was based on Me-262 reports and technical data but the designers had never seen a Me-262. It was built at the request of the IJN.

The Ki-201 Karyu was literally a copy of the Me-262 adapted to Japanese production techniques. A Me-262 had been shipped to Japan aboard a sub and was used as the reference material to base the aircraft off of.

Nakajima tried to interest the IJAAF and they assigned a designation to the design but interest shifted to the Ki-200. Nakajima offered the design to the IJN but they were not interested.

Some sources say the Karyu was never built, other sources say the Karyu prototype was 1/2 completed when the war ended, its not known what became of it.




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#24 15 years ago

the japense gyro helicopter wasnt off the flettner. it was based off the US gryocopter and was licensed built. it was used on submarine hunting duties. and this was manufactured before the flettner even was produced, so i dont see how it could be off the flettner.




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#25 15 years ago
Anlushac11Wanna bet? :deal: The Japanese intended to liscence build copies of the Me-163B, The IJN version was to be called the J8M Shusui. The IJAAF version was to be the Ki-200. The J8M weighed 900lbs less than the Me-163B and was to have carried 2 x Ho-5 30mm cannons. The Ki-200 also weighed about 900lbs less and was to carry 2 x Ho-105 30mm cannons. The lesser weight was due to a lighter airframe and the removal of the armor plate for the pilot. shuusui01.jpg shuusui02.jpg shusui_dark.jpg The Kikka was based on Me-262 reports and technical data but the designers had never seen a Me-262. It was built at the request of the IJN. The Ki-201 Karyu was literally a copy of the Me-262 adapted to Japanese production techniques. A Me-262 had been shipped to Japan aboard a sub and was used as the reference material to base the aircraft off of. Nakajima tried to interest the IJAAF and they assigned a designation to the design but interest shifted to the Ki-200. Nakajima offered the design to the IJN but they were not interested. Some sources say the Karyu was never built, other sources say the Karyu prototype was 1/2 completed when the war ended, its not known what became of it.

pwned.gifpwned.gifpwned.gif You proved me good and wrong! I surrender!yeltongue.gif They HAD redesigned it though when they saw its flaws. The pic someone else posted does look similiar, but its not to scale. The Type 2 was almost twice as long as the Komet, had delta wings, and fins in the front to help stabilize (spelling?) the aircraft, and give the pilot better control.




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#26 15 years ago

I thinlk you guys are referring to the Kayaba KA-1. It had nothing to do with the Flettner, The Kayaba was a autogyro which were fairly common before WW2 and are not popular today because the helicopter replaced it.

The autogyro is a STOL aircraft, a helicopter is a VTOL aircraft.

Kayaba KA-1 0001.jpg ka1.jpg




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#27 15 years ago

Here is a variation of the Shusui, the Ki-202:ki202.jpgand the actual Shusui the J8M1/Ki-200: (Not the best picture)j8m_1_ki_200_shusui.jpg