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terminal-strike

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#1 13 years ago

This was brought up in another thread, but I though I would give its own thread and give it a more formal suggestion. THe Kayaba Ka-1 autogyro (not heli). THey differ from heli's primarily in that they do not have a powered main rotor and cannot hover. http://avia.russian.ee/vertigo/kayaba_ka-1-r.html a model http://astroboy.ddo.jp/3d/ka1.htm some pics of it. (non-english site) http://www.horae.dti.ne.jp/~fuwe1a/newpage421.html another(not as much on this one) http://www.geocities.com/raravia/ka1.htm

The Japanese government, after acquiring and testing a Kellett KD-1A autogyro in 1939, turned the aircraft over to the Kayaba Industrial Co, which subsequently built an inline-engined version of the aircraft as the Ka.1. This was powered by a 240hp Kobe engine (licence version of the German Argus As.10C); the first Ka.1 was flown on 26 May 1941 and eventually some two hundred and forty aircraft of this type were built. They were employed during World War 2 by the Imperial Japanese Army for artillery observation and cooperation duties, and by the Navy for coastal or carrier-based antisubmarine patrol carrying two 60kg bombs or depth charges. One Ka.1 was modified for trials with small auxiliary rockets at the tips of the rotor blades.

This is not a sw weapon at all as it was pretty widely used (bor army and navy) and made relatively high (240) numbers compared to some other fixed aircraft. THis would go very pretty handily on some pacific maps i think, especially with its 2 small bomb armarment and spotting abilities. There are number of other autogiros of other nations too that were involved to varying degrees in the war. For example the ciervo c.30 (the rota), a autogiro in british service was what the sikorsky r-4 helicopeter(which the british called the hoverfly) replaced in 1944.The Ka.1, however, was the most used/produced of the autogyros (and rotocraft in genral) during ww2.




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#2 13 years ago
terminal-strikeThis was brought up in another thread, but I though I would give its own thread and give it a more formal suggestion. THe Kayaba Ka-1 autogyro (not heli) http://avia.russian.ee/vertigo/kayaba_ka-1-r.html Not really a sw weapon at all as it was pretty widely used and made relatively high (240) numbers compared to some other fixed aircraft. THis would go very pretty handily on a pacific maps, especially with its 2 small bomb armarment. All the same it would probaly end up taking a back seat to more convential japanese aircraft, as so often seems to be the fate of autogros... There are number of other autogiros of other nations too that were involved to varying degrees in the war. For example the ciervo c.30 (the rota), a autogiro in british service was what the sikorsky r-4 (which the british called the hoverfly) replaced in 1944.

With all due respect, its not a bad idea and it would actually be kinda cool in game.

BUT I WANT IJA ARMY FIGHTERS FIRST! :bawl:

In order of importance:

Ki-43 Hayabusa II Ki-61-1-KAI-Hei Hien IB kI-45 Toryu - KAI Ki-84 Hayate Ki-100 Goshiki Ki-21 Sally heavy bomber Ki-67 Hiryu Ki-44 Shoki J2M Raiden (OK this is a IJN fighter but I think it is more important than the autogyro)

Then the autogyro.

US has about 9 fighters Commonwealth have about 3 fighters Germany has about 6 fighters Soviets have 3 fighters French have 2 fighters

IJN has 2 - A6M Zero-Sen and N1K1 Shinden

There are currently no IJA aircraft at all.

I do have hope and trust that FH will still bring them in game at a later date but I want to see some of the IJA aircraft I listed above before the autogyro.




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#3 13 years ago

sure there's more critical aircraft to model, both in japanese and in general too. THe italian in french need a lot of aircraft too, and even beyond aircraft there's always the matter of ground units such as the often mentioned pz3. I don't really care so much which order thigns are actually completed though, and think sort of slowly doing things from across the use/production spectrum is fine.

I wish there were a way to escape mentioning the sort of hierarchy of things that need to be done with any suggestion. We almost need to create a items of ww2 hierarchy which shows the relative approx importance of all un-done units. AAnyway, yes those are good japanese suggestions, and yes the gyro should probaly wait- but I dunno about doing after ALL of those are done as it saw quite a bit of use and is more intesting in then many of those. Also its in its own category- number of autogiros done= 0!




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#4 13 years ago

Yeah.. italy has 1 fighter, the MC.202... although they use the stuka, 109, and ju88 also.




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#5 13 years ago

Maybe this site would be willing to share some of there models? THey have models of several japanese aircraft done which they use in pictures. http://astroboy.ddo.jp/3d/3d.html

there model of the emily- very nice model though skin is not so great. http://astroboy.ddo.jp/3d/emily.htm




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#6 13 years ago

Well... We have dozens of planes in FH but ONLY ONE chopper so far... Would be pretty cool to see a map with 2 or 3 of these :D .




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#7 13 years ago

Yay, DC with gyro's.. ;)




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#8 13 years ago

i dunno about doing that many. All the ww2 helos I know of were either unarmed or only experimintal. The other gryo's that saw service were all unarmed i think. As for it being like dc, gyros cannot hover and do not handle like choppers. It would be more like just another slow moving plane with tiny bombs. They can however land nearly vertically and have pretty short take-off runs normally. Remeber that the kubel is from SW, so FH moddel/skin time has not been put into any rotary so far. When the time comes, the Ka1 would be a resonable choice as it saw more service time then many aircraft that have been suggested and some that are done.




Apro-FIN-

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#9 13 years ago

Don't think how to use it... THINK OF THE SEX APPEAL! Certainly if a beautiful lady walks by you while you are playing FH and says "Hey handsom. What are you doing?" you will want to say "I'm flying a helicopter" instead of "I'm flying an airplane". That will certainly increase your chance of getting laid that night by 0.001%! And girls don't like guns so if you say the chopper is unarmed and that you are a pacifist she will fall in to your arms and demand you make sweet love to her. Well yeah. Actually I'm saying all this hoping that everyone opposing getting more choppers to the game are lonely single men desperatly doing anything to get a woman.




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#10 13 years ago

I tried that. It didn't work.




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