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{TDB} Bravowhisky

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#11 13 years ago

I can understand lucky or stray 20mm-30mm rounds cooking off ammo on deck that is waiting to be fired off, but still have my doubts about it actually penetrating. Even then, many of the British destroyers that had main guns equiped that were capable or reaching an angle for AA usage they were enclosed in a turret where the ammo and cordite was lifted by an elevator. The ammo of a 'pom-pom' or oerlikon going off wouldn't take a destroyer down, certainly kill the gunners but not sink the ship.




Fuzzy Bunny

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#12 13 years ago

No, but a lucky penetration of, say, a maingun turret might.

I don't know about Japanese destroyer armor values, but if you look through the NARA/Google archives, there's quite a bit of footage buried in there of both Pacific and Atlantic theater smaller warships (mineclearers, escorts, light destroyers, gunboats, whatever) being hit by strafing heavy fighter-bombers with .50cal and larger calibers, with a fair number of them going up in the process.

Several of the ones I've seen hit in the Bay of Biscay, Mediterranean and North Sea were actually hit by rockets from Beaufighters and the likes, but you can still see the heavy MGs/cannon tearing them a new one.

With heavier, more armored ships, such as larger DDs, I'd tend to agree with you that you probably wouldn't see this sort of attack actually penetrate/sink them, but if you managed to cook off an ammo tray on deck, it'd look pretty spectacular in any case.




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#13 13 years ago
{TDB} BravowhiskyI can understand lucky or stray 20mm-30mm rounds cooking off ammo on deck that is waiting to be fired off, but still have my doubts about it actually penetrating. Even then, many of the British destroyers that had main guns equiped that were capable or reaching an angle for AA usage they were enclosed in a turret where the ammo and cordite was lifted by an elevator. The ammo of a 'pom-pom' or oerlikon going off wouldn't take a destroyer down, certainly kill the gunners but not sink the ship.

This might sound a little far fetched and dumb, But if theres a doorway leading to it, but its Armored up and nothing will penetrate it, Bullets could rico down in there, and turn up the heat in some spots. (speaking outta my a$$ though)




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#14 13 years ago
striderx2048that no longer "luck" or randomnes. That is skill now

In a 400 km / hr death dive firing hundreds if not thousands of rounds a minute at a ship careening in the ocean where you can barely make out the deck crew, hitting a soft spot the size of someone's head isn't skill, it's luck.




wjlaslo

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#15 13 years ago

The US Corsair squadron, the Blacksheep, fought in the Pacific. A single Corsair took down a large tanker by strafing with .50 cals. No bombs. I'd say that ships should have more weak points. For instance, if you hit the radio tower of the ship with a bomb (note the bomb, not machine guns or cannon) the driver cannot use his F# keys. In FH2 it would be the Commo Rose (as far as we know...). I think that it's possible to blow up the rearmost turret of the Japanese destroyer, but I haven't seen it done, only noticed that the turret itself can be repaired instead of the destroyer.




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#16 13 years ago

@wjaslo: That would go into component damage, which would utterly _rock_. Alas, either Hartmann or McGibs said that, despite best efforts, it isn't possible. If there were a way to do it on ships, however (i.e. take out individual weapons/turrets with bombs) that'd be great fun.

In any case, such a mechanism would mean that a bomber could do far more damage to a ship, since a destroyed turret shouldn't realistically respawn, and thus land-to-rearm would probably need to become a part of most naval/air maps. Would probably need extensive testing, but could be fun.

As for the tankers--usually not armored, so that sort of meshes with what I wrote about freighters and smaller warships (plus tankers carry large amounts of, duh, gasoline, and unlike flamethrowers, have a tendency to go kaboom when hit :-)




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