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der_Joker

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#1 13 years ago

me210v13.jpgme410a.jpgOrigin: Messerschmitt AG Type: two-seat tactical aircraft for fighter, attack and reconnaissance duties with specialized variants Engine: (Me 210, usual for production versions) two 1,359hp Daimler-Benz DB 601F inverted-vee-12 liquid-cooled, (Me 410A series, usual for production versions) two 1,750hp DB 603A of same layout, (Me 410B series) two 1,900hp DB 603G Armament: varied, but basic aircraft invariably was armed with two remotely-controlled powered barbettes on sides of fuselage each housing one 13mm MG 131 and, if bomber version, provided with internal weapon bay housing two 500kg bombs, external racks on nearly all (210 and 410) for two 500kg stores (exceptionally, 1,000kg). Normal fixed forward-firing armament of two 20mm MG 151/20 and two 7.92mm MG 17. Me 410 versions had many kinds of bomber-destroyer armament Speed: maximum speed (both, unloaded) 620km/h Climb: initial climb (both) 650m/minute Ceiling: service ceiling (210A-1) 7,000m, (410A-1) 10,000m Range: with full bomb load (210A-1) 2,400km, (410A-1) 2,330km Weight: empty (210A) about 5,440kg, (410A-1) 6,150kg; maximum loaded (210A-1) 8,100kg, (410A-1) 10,650kg Wingspan: (210) 16.34m, later 16.4m; (410) 16.35m Length: (without 50mm gun, radar or other long fitment) (210) 12.22m, (410) 12.45m Height: (both) 4.3m Crew: two History: first flight (Me 210V-1) 2 September 1939, (pre-production 210A-0) April 1941, final delivery (210) April 1942, first flight (310) 11 September 1943, (410V-1) probably December 1942 Users: Germany (Luftwaffe)




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#2 13 years ago

I could see adding the Me-410 Hornisse but the Me-210 was considered a failure. IIRC there were not many Me-210's made.

Considering FH is a tactical game I think the Fw-189A Uhu would be a better choice, it was a battlefield recon plane and was armed. fw189-1.jpg

I also think the BV-141 would be a excellent choice. Sure only a handful were made but its hard to beat for uniqueness and :Puzzled: look factor. The BV-141 was built to the same design requirement as the Fw-189. It actually flew superbly. bv141lk_3.jpg




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#3 13 years ago

And most were given to Hungary. I would say yes, but only for a future release that includes the Hungarians.

Hopefully that will be a far off release.




der_Joker

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#4 13 years ago

The ME-210 and 410 were Close Support Air Craft and Night Fighters. Notice the Large Cannon on the Front, Well the Germans Expiremented with it not sure but I do believe it was a 40mm Cannon the Problem: the Flash would Blind the Pilot and the Blast would slow the aircraft down a lot the " Uhu" or Owl was like you said a Tactical Recon was armed with two Dual 7.62mm Defensive machine guns. Rarely did it carry a bombload. as for the Me-210 and 410 the 410 was an upgraded 210 with a lot of the Bugs fixed. i could see the Me-410 in Bombing the Reich Map. The Blohm Und Vos BV 141 was never truely seen in combat only about 13 were ever built.




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#5 13 years ago

The Protos were used for combat testing on the Eastern Front where they performed very well. Manuverability and durability was very good.




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#6 13 years ago

Well, the 210 was a total faliure, it would spin out of control at the drop of the hat. The 410 was ok, made to replace the 110, but never did, the 110 was much better all round. The Uhu would kick ass, can't beat 4 mgs firing backwards, plus 2 20mm forwards, plus toughness and manuverableity. THe Blohm and Voss would be interesting, but the Uhu was much, much, much more important. All in all, no 210, 410 nly for Hungarians, and Uhu, not B&V




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#7 13 years ago

The 410 would be a good edition, the Hungarians used 109's also so they would be easy to add. Not sure about the use of the FW189, even armed it wasn't a fighter bomber of any calibre, its load was to small, its armament was more defensive than anything else and it was to slow to be effective. If modelled correctly it would be nothing more than a target.

The BV-141 is almost a fantasy plane. Given theres still lots of common planes (Me410 for example) that should be added I think adding a plane that was nothing more than a prototype shouldn't be added.




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#8 13 years ago

The Fw 189A-4 replaced the previous versions two 7.92mm MG17's with two 20mm MG151/20's fitted in the wing roots. There should be more versions of the Ju 88, i reckon the Ju 88A-17 torpedo bomber, the Ju 88C-6 close support aircraft, the Ju 88G-1 Night fighter, and the Ju 88P-2 tank destroyer.




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#9 13 years ago

Not the '410 or '210....the '410 wasnt build it that great numbers, and as u have said, the '210 was a failure...I'd rather want more versions of the '110, like bombs and 30mm anti-ground mounted guns.

And the '189 would be cool as it was used in many numbers and versions during the war. BUT, I wont the '156 Storch first... :'(




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#10 13 years ago

I only want the Blohm und Voss BV-141 becuse it is so unique. I can see the threads now "WTH is that thing and what keeps it from crashing, surely that wasnt real?"

As for the Fw-189 it's main role was not as a bomber even though IIRC it could carry 4 x 50kg bombs and had 2 x 20mm cannons for strafing.

It was mainly a battlefield recon aircraft. That means it flies around and reports enemy movements and should be able to spot artillery.




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