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Mp5-Killa

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#1 14 years ago

Someone very recently brought up this point; that many people (especially on Foy) are using mgs as smgs. Well i thought that it's a bit wierd at the moment as there are 3 'types' of mgs at the moment. Static, Deployable and 'ready to use'. This is seems a bit strange to me as mgs could never have been fired on the move (apart from LMGs) in WW2 as you probably would've broken your arm...:uhm: . Therefore i believe that to fix this, when you spawn with an mg42, mg 34 or .30 cal browning (in 0.62 maybe), you should spawn with the deployable kind. Although this could make it even harder on maps like foy as the mgers will be obscured, it seems more realistic to me and it also seems to be quite easily implemented. Well i'm preparing the fire hydrant... Tell me what you think and please post your own ideas on how to fix this 'problem' (apart from limiting, which does seem the obvious choice to me). :) Thx :greenflame: (me)




[KsR]SideWinder

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#2 14 years ago

By the deployable kind, you mean tripod mg's. The problem with having so many of them is that they are still fairly buggy. You can't pick them back up atm, sometimes they fail to deploy at all. Also, im no expert but I would imagine there would be an abundance of normal, bipod MG's compared to tripods. I wouldn't say you would be unable to fire one in your arms, im sure I've seen a video of someone firing a mg42 somewhere, underarm of course and not full auto. If the bf engine could allow it, it would be nice to slow down the movement speed of heavy weapons carriers.




Mp5-Killa

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#3 14 years ago

Well I believe they are fixing the buggy deployable mgs in 0.62. Ah i've thought, maybe you could spawn with deployable bipod mgs that wouldn't be as accurate as tripod ones, comments? Well yeah i spose you could be ABLE to use an mg underarm as you say, but if you did you'd just be cannon fodder to opposing infantry probably :D.




Mandingo 18''

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#4 14 years ago

I don't think using mgs as smgs is a major problem. You have to be really close to your enemy to hit him while moving. And if the distance is 2 meters, it is totally realistic that you hit, even if you are bunnyhopping. I don't believe firing an mg would get your arm broken. I have fired a heavy mg, and the ww2 ones can't have been that much different. In movies like Saving Private Ryan they always fire mgs while running, and even the game Blitzkrieg on has on its cover a picture of a German soldier firing an mg42 while standing.




[WaW]Cyan Winters

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#5 14 years ago

Blitzkrieg isnt the most realistic game..as that man would have burned his hand unbelievably holding onto the barrel like that. (And it's an MG34) MGs as SMGs happens, but only on a "spray and pray" basis, so the firer uses 20-40 shots to take out one guy, meaning he wont get very many, and will suck against long-range rifles since his crosshairs will be so wide.




Gocad

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#6 14 years ago

MGs used as SMGs - from a realistic point of view: (in the real world)

you can fire one from a standing position...but you would need to be: a) a skilled gunner b) in a stable position and / or to be really strong c) desperate and / or stupid

Face it, MGs fired from an unsupported position are almost impossible to control, not to be mention that it would be a bit tricky to use the sight...unless you have no problem to raise a 30 pound weapon (like a MG42 with a 75 round drum) up to your shoulder and keep it in a stable firing position...while firing it. :)

In fact there is just one potential situation where firing a MG from a standing position would make sense and be justified:

You are on the move and are suddenly encounter by the enemy up at close range.

Conclusion: It should be made impossible to fire the LMGs from a standing position (not to mention while moving...)...or at least increase the recoil, since even with short bursts (3-5 rounds) the bullet spread is huge!




Elessar Telcontar

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#7 14 years ago

:agreed Also, I would like to add that I've seen a clip of a .30 cal being shot from the hip once. Don't think it was very effective, though. As an apropos, this image might be relevant. hk21air.jpg