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#1 11 years ago

Hello - first of all I would like to thank all of the developers of FH for providing me (and my 5 year old son) with countless hours of enjoyment. This is the best FPS game in existence, period. No doubt FH2 is going to follow in this tradition. The historical adherence to uniforms, weapons, vehicles, is second to none. With that being said, the sound for the MP40 "burp gun" and MG42 should be improved upon. In FH, neither are the proper sound which is a shame since both guns have such a sinister and distinctive sound not unlke an M1 or Thompson MG (which are spot on BTW). I'm not sure of the availability of those sounds short of a recording engineer visting a range? The old American TV show 'Combat' actually employed real MP40s and MG42s and used a track of each on full auto. Once you have heard this sound you understand the moniker of the MP40 and the unmistakeable sound of the MG42 (the sound was so debilitating to American troops that the War Office actually made a training tape for GIs that famliarized them with that sound). Schpiel-bergs Private Ryan also utlized real MG42s on full auto (seen within the first 20 mins of beach footage). I would also like to suggest using different voice overs of the commanders. The BF42 voices are so goofy. The American one sounds like a really high Radar O'Reilly from "MASH" (Roger that) and the Germanic ones sound over the top as well. I like what the AK folks did by changing some of the voices of the british and american commands. Use real people. I'm sure the TDP, HSIAN, or AK folks could help on the German side. Thank you for listening and keep up the good work. Hessler:)




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#2 11 years ago

psst* Don't mention SPR or some will start screaming that terifying MG42 sounds are unrealistic. Might as well warn you to use the search feature before posting a subject to make sure it hasn't been hit up already. Welcome to the forums. The above might seem rude until you stick around and see what I'm talking about.




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#3 11 years ago
Hessler;3384054Hello - first of all I would like to thank all of the developers of FH for providing me (and my 5 year old son) with countless hours of enjoyment. This is the best FPS game in existence, period. No doubt FH2 is going to follow in this tradition. The historical adherence to uniforms, weapons, vehicles, is second to none. With that being said, the sound for the MP40 "burp gun" and MG42 should be improved upon. In FH, neither are the proper sound which is a shame since both guns have such a sinister and distinctive sound not unlke an M1 or Thompson MG (which are spot on BTW). I'm not sure of the availability of those sounds short of a recording engineer visting a range? The old American TV show 'Combat' actually employed real MP40s and MG42s and used a track of each on full auto. Once you have heard this sound you understand the moniker of the MP40 and the unmistakeable sound of the MG42 (the sound was so debilitating to American troops that the War Office actually made a training tape for GIs that famliarized them with that sound). Schpiel-bergs Private Ryan also utlized real MG42s on full auto (seen within the first 20 mins of beach footage). I would also like to suggest using different voice overs of the commanders. The BF42 voices are so goofy. The American one sounds like a really high Radar O'Reilly from "MASH" (Roger that) and the Germanic ones sound over the top as well. I like what the AK folks did by changing some of the voices of the british and american commands. Use real people. I'm sure the TDP, HSIAN, or AK folks could help on the German side. Thank you for listening and keep up the good work. Hessler:)

You want to hear the real sound mp40's and MG42's made? Well, you can't handle the sound they made (j/k). :D Also, the MP40 wasnt referred to as the burp gun, the PPSH41 was. For that matter ALL the guns in FH2 sound like toy guns. http://www.badongo.com/vid/245082 (MG42 video number 1) http://youtube.com/watch?v=iQvX2XQgVL0 (MG42 video number 2) http://youtube.com/watch?v=DWtMxcJYQyQ (M2. 50 cal video number 1) http://www.badongo.com/vid/245083 (Maxim video number 1) http://youtube.com/watch?v=unp8aOQSwS8 (Maxim video number 2) http://youtube.com/watch?v=s1_3L5uZvRM (MP40 video number 1) http://youtube.com/watch?v=QdjJwtgpLoU (Mp40 video number 2) http://youtube.com/watch?v=e2VdiXdH-5Q (STG44 video number 1) http://youtube.com/watch?v=mM5ULcUvbQA (STG44 video number 2)




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#4 11 years ago
Hessler;3384054Hello - first of all I would like to thank all of the developers of FH for providing me (and my 5 year old son) with countless hours of enjoyment. This is the best FPS game in existence, period. No doubt FH2 is going to follow in this tradition. The historical adherence to uniforms, weapons, vehicles, is second to none. With that being said, the sound for the MP40 "burp gun" and MG42 should be improved upon. In FH, neither are the proper sound which is a shame since both guns have such a sinister and distinctive sound not unlke an M1 or Thompson MG (which are spot on BTW). I'm not sure of the availability of those sounds short of a recording engineer visting a range? The old American TV show 'Combat' actually employed real MP40s and MG42s and used a track of each on full auto. Once you have heard this sound you understand the moniker of the MP40 and the unmistakeable sound of the MG42 (the sound was so debilitating to American troops that the War Office actually made a training tape for GIs that famliarized them with that sound). Schpiel-bergs Private Ryan also utlized real MG42s on full auto (seen within the first 20 mins of beach footage). I would also like to suggest using different voice overs of the commanders. The BF42 voices are so goofy. The American one sounds like a really high Radar O'Reilly from "MASH" (Roger that) and the Germanic ones sound over the top as well. I like what the AK folks did by changing some of the voices of the british and american commands. Use real people. I'm sure the TDP, HSIAN, or AK folks could help on the German side. Thank you for listening and keep up the good work. Hessler:)

Here are some video's of the weapons: Also, the MP40 wasnt referred to as the "Burp Gun" The PPSH41 was. Also, all the small arms in FH sound like toy guns. I hope that wont be the case in FH2. Also, the Thompson wasn't an MG. It was a SubMachineGun. For that matter, even the sound of the Thompson is wrong. And sadly, enough, the uniforms seems to be incorrect on alot of maps. I know, im a complainer, but these are problems that really should be fixed in order to improve the overall realism feeling. On a sidenote, if you want to see a video regarding a specific weapon, just ask me and ill try and find it. :)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iQvX2XQgVL0 (MG42 video number 1) http://www.t3rbo.com/video/view.php?video=4b74cb6455c480cf6497e1b1a8a7d5f7 (MG42 video number 2) [COLOR=black]http://youtube.com/watch?v=unp8aOQSwS8[/COLOR] (Maxim 1910 video number 1) [COLOR=black]http://www.t3rbo.com/video/view.php?video=93e43241c6f95d589f8db349358856e3 [/COLOR][COLOR=darkslategray](Maxim video number 2)[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]http://youtube.com/watch?v=DWtMxcJYQyQ [/COLOR][COLOR=darkslategray](M2. 50 cal video number 1)[/COLOR] http://www.t3rbo.com/video/view.php?video=486f2c969b8e2a2b9f14fbbef58187f0 (M2 50 cal video number 2) http://youtube.com/watch?v=QdjJwtgpLoU (Mp40 video number 1) http://youtube.com/watch?v=s1_3L5uZvRM (Mp40 video number 2) http://youtube.com/watch?v=e2VdiXdH-5Q (STG44 video number 1) http://youtube.com/watch?v=mM5ULcUvbQA (STG44 video number 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxSVKg3h4pM (Thompson video number 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOaV9OI750U&mode=related&search= (Thompson video number 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g_8j_Zp9mM (K98 video number 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4WpWdp7fg4 (K98 video number 2)




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I hear you (Punn not intended) I can't say I know wat the MP40 really sounded like, but the general impression is that it was higher pitched compared to the Allied weapons (Seems, at par considering the general German voice pitch compared to the American's). I heard the one from the last scene in Saving Private Ryan and that was alot scarier (Although true to the high squeel of an MP40). I DID mention the MG42 sound in another thread. I think its issue is less the sound, more the amount of sound (it needs 2 be a hell lot noisier). You could try getting the Skins and Sound patch if you haven't got it already. Those mae most sounds a whole lot scarier and indeed more realsitic. Metal against metal, if you know what I mean. Well, you do need to consider that the voices are supposed to be across radios of the 1940s. I don't know, but I think radios were alot less crisp in those days, so perhaps the radio voices may not be so far-fetched. Although, I'm sure, I can count on the FH devs making that crackle and skewed voice a whole lot authentic. Off topic: It does seem though, that someone somehow forgot to give the lightening (American fighter) an engine cuz it flies more silently than a stealth bomber!. And as much as I love it's handling and armament, I seldom touch it cuz It just feels wierd flying a plane with no sound.




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#6 11 years ago
mydjinny;3384622I hear you (Punn not intended) I can't say I know wat the MP40 really sounded like, but the general impression is that it was higher pitched compared to the Allied weapons (Seems, at par considering the general German voice pitch compared to the American's). I heard the one from the last scene in Saving Private Ryan and that was alot scarier (Although true to the high squeel of an MP40). I DID mention the MG42 sound in another thread. I think its issue is less the sound, more the amount of sound (it needs 2 be a hell lot noisier). You could try getting the Skins and Sound patch if you haven't got it already. Those mae most sounds a whole lot scarier and indeed more realsitic. Metal against metal, if you know what I mean.

Well, thats exactly as to why i posted those videos - so you can learn how they sounded. Instead of making an entire post of how you think they sound, you could have saved yourself and me time by simply clicking the damn links i gave, how difficult can that be, mydjinny?

Besides its a good idea not to use movies as references, and especially not SPR wich is a Hollywood version of WW2. Its not accurate at all.




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#7 11 years ago

Well, considering the fact the SPR analogy and the MP40 bit were like 3 lines out of my whole post, I don't know... My focus with that post was to find out if Hessler had tried the realism skins and sound the devs created,as well as establish the fact that I had mentioned the MG42 earlier this week (And what issue I had with it). I catch your drift, though... thanx




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mydjinny;3384799Well, considering the fact the SPR analogy was like 3 lines out of my whole post, I don't know...

Ah, but im quite "paranoid", so to speak, when it comes to movie references such as SPR.

My focus with that post was to find out if Hessler had tried the realism skins and sound the devs created,as well as establish the fact that I had mentioned the MG42 earlier this week (And what issue I had with it).

Well, my reply was more or less meant on your sounds comment.

I catch your drift, though... thanx

Regardless, dont take my post as a personal offence, it wasnt meant as such. :) However, as far as the radio goes, i sadly enough cant find any movies regarding that. I did find some links regarding radio's:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=47560 http://www.wehrtechnikmuseum.de/Exponate/Dorette/dorette.html




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Thanks. This was my first post on the forums. As soon as I posted this five links appeared for similiar posts. I'll stick to playing. Hessler




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#10 11 years ago

Thanks for the links. The term "burp gun" is widely documented as an American moniker given to the MP40. Most GIs would not be familair with the PPSH. Also, the MP40 is frequently referred to as a "schmeisser" which is incorrect. http://www.efour4ever.com/mp40.htm




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