Normandy Theatre: Operation Luttich -1 reply

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OES95

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#1 10 years ago

August 4th: Hitler issues a directive to Field Marshal Gunther von Kluge to launch a counter offensive from the Vire-Mortain area, aimed at Avranches, to cut off advancing Allied forces south of the line, to turn north east to the channel coast and drive allies into the sea. August 6th: Germans attack with 2nd SS Pz Division, 1 SS Pz Division, 2 Pz Division, and 116 SS Pz Division, Along with other units. The Americans have the 30th "Old Hickory" Infantry Division with an attached tank battalion, the 743rd. The 120th Infantry Regiment, 117th Inf Reg, 119th Inf(minus a battalion detached to 2nd Armored Div), 823rd Tank Destroyer, VII Corps Cavalry, 39th Inf Reg of the 9th, *th Reg of the 4th Inf Div. Combat Command B of the 3rd Armored Div attached to 30th after battle starts. 30th in this battle is isolated from them before battle starts having just moved in on the morning of 6th. August 7th: Basically the americans hold up the germans for 6 hours while the fog is around, and than (canadian and brit) Typhoons (458 individual sorties) came into the fight to deal with the armor columns, while fighters and fighter bombers from american IX Tactical Air Command operated further out to keep enemy aircraft from impeding typhoons, and destroy transports and communications.

Have I convinced you yet? I'd like to see a couple maps about this counteroffensive that HItler launched after DDay, if possible, cause it looks like it was pretty important.

Source is Military Heritage's WWII History magazine. Great Magazine




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#2 10 years ago

Yes to typhoon and please make rockets as good as they were in FH1!!




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#3 10 years ago
130th Erich;4268173Yes to typhoon and please make rockets as good as they were in FH1!!

Yes, and give them blast radius so infantry can't dance among the rain of fire =p




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#4 10 years ago

The Avranches Offensive is part of the reason the Germans were forced all the way back to the border of Germany.... Hitler fucked up royally, sent in his panzers into a situation where the americans were able to turn the tables on them, and got creamed. By stripping Caen of its best units, he left the door open for Montgomery to take the city, thus cutting out the focal point of the german defenses. That, combined with patton using the offensive to suck in german troops, would cause the Falaise Pocket, and the annhilation of the german forces in Normandy.

In other words, Hitler fucked up. Big time.




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#5 10 years ago

Axis fanboy has talked.

;)

Seriously, I don't want to minor Hitler's behavior, but what else could he do?

Trying a massive armoured counterattack on the weak flank of the offensive seems to be the best thing to do, but the Allies ruled the air...




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#6 10 years ago

Id say get some maps of this little gem in, so its not all Allies on offensive while axis is defending




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#7 10 years ago

well,the Axis could have won if they just stayed digged in,and of course launching V1s at the mullberry harbors would really screw up the allied supply lines,since Cherbourg was totally destroyed at that time




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#8 10 years ago

Actually, the German general staff basically wanted to swing like a door (Gettysburg quote, anyone?). They were going to use Caen as a hinge, while swinging the rest of their army back to the Seine river, and starting the whole Normandy affair all over again.... Would not have been good for the allies....

In the end, Hitler blew their shot by investing their armour in the same shit that the allies had entered. German tanks were no better then American tanks at dealing with the hedgerows, their advantage had always lay in their defensive nature. When they went on the attack, they suffered heavy casualties from hidden bazookas and 57mm AT guns, as well as the occasional 90mm, the ami version of the 88mm. Along with the constant threat of aerial attack, the german counter attack fell apart in hours, and become simply a series of small firefights that sucked in more and more german troops as Hitler tried to realize an unworkable master plan. The British then swept into Caen, Patton around the flank, and the German army in Normandy was slaughtered...something like 70% killed, wounded, or, most likely, captured.

And stop calling me axis fanboy...its immature to say that when all your basing it off of is an undying love for a tripod and an arguement on Omaha beach. I put credit where credit is due. Doubt I'd get called a ami fan boy for wanting plenty of 57mm AT guns (copies of the brit 6lber), bazookas, and a few typhoons with no German air force, only a few heavy tanks, and of course the ever powerful American artillery, the part of the armed services that truely gave the americans victories time and time again. Basically, I'd want the Germans to have to go through hell to advance, if at all.

But that's just me...I'm a realism freak....




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#9 10 years ago
Sizum85;4268409well,the Axis could have won if they just stayed digged in,and of course launching V1s at the mullberry harbors would really screw up the allied supply lines,since Cherbourg was totally destroyed at that time

Digged in. :rolleyes:




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#10 10 years ago

I would like to see the US 57mm ATG as well as the 76mm ATG.