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der_Joker

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#1 13 years ago

I'm Sorry but you guys claim to be historically accurate. Yet your depiction of Omaha beach has to be one the most incorrect depictions next to Saving Private Ryan and MOHAA. #1 The fire line is directly infront of the Bunkers. Not True at all the German Defenses were set up in groups called Widerstand-Nests with the line of fire criss crossing. To Cover all areas. #2 Too many Mg-34s/42s. Incorrect the Germans used mainly captured Czech and Polish MGs to defend the Beaches also there were no Nebelwerfers on the Beaches. Nebelwerfers were first encountered in the Bocage Area. #3 MG Nests again going with what MOHAA depicted. The MG Nest which again were mainly captured Czech and Polish MGs were not really put in sand bags but were instead in Concrete Revolving Turrents. ( I will upload pics later taken from my Trip) #4 Lack of Heavy Artillery/Anti-Tank Bunkers. There were several heavy cannons placed on the Beach in Fortifide Bunkers. I've Noticed a Lack of these weapons. (Again the Weapons did not Fire Straight ahead instead were fired at angles.) #5 Bunkers did not extend to the Ground like you have depicted. These Bunkers were used for Artillery spotting and not have static defenses. Also you are lacking the network of zig zag trenches. All Bunkers were connected by these so the Defenders could stay hidden also if a shell entered the Trenches the shrapnel/blast would not kill everyone. I will upload pictures later when I have time from my Trip to Normandy.




Flippy Warbear

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#2 13 years ago

Hear hear. Sure has some good stuff there. But I am not against Charlie Sector as it is at the moment. I think its still a good map even it wasnt the most accurate one. But if there would become a totally new Omaha Beach, accurate one, heck, bring it on! :D




KleenexMan

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#3 13 years ago
der_JokerI'm Sorry but you guys claim to be historically accurate. Yet your depiction of Omaha beach has to be one the most incorrect depictions next to Saving Private Ryan and MOHAA. #1 The fire line is directly infront of the Bunkers. Not True at all the German Defenses were set up in groups called Widerstand-Nests with the line of fire criss crossing. To Cover all areas. #2 Too many Mg-34s/42s. Incorrect the Germans used mainly captured Czech and Polish MGs to defend the Beaches also there were no Nebelwerfers on the Beaches. Nebelwerfers were first encountered in the Bocage Area. #3 MG Nests again going with what MOHAA depicted. The MG Nest which again were mainly captured Czech and Polish MGs were not really put in sand bags but were instead in Concrete Revolving Turrents. ( I will upload pics later taken from my Trip) #4 Lack of Heavy Artillery/Anti-Tank Bunkers. There were several heavy cannons placed on the Beach in Fortifide Bunkers. I've Noticed a Lack of these weapons. (Again the Weapons did not Fire Straight ahead instead were fired at angles.) #5 Bunkers did not extend to the Ground like you have depicted. These Bunkers were used for Artillery spotting and not have static defenses. Also you are lacking the network of zig zag trenches. All Bunkers were connected by these so the Defenders could stay hidden also if a shell entered the Trenches the shrapnel/blast would not kill everyone. I will upload pictures later when I have time from my Trip to Normandy.

The map is fine as it is. If it aint broke don't fix it. Most of these things you're suggesting will completly nullify any chance of the allies winning this map. It's difficult enough alrdy without teamwork and I don't think adding AT bunkers and extra heavy arty guns will do much but discourage people from wanting to play this map. That is of course unless the allies get naval support.




[SYN] hydraSlav

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#4 13 years ago

Great, now all you have to do is create this map and submit it to FH. Good luck




Biiviz

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#5 13 years ago
'[SYN hydraSlav']Great, now all you have to do is create this map and submit it to FH. Good luck

He's just saying what should be done if we want to achieve historical accuracy ffs, no need for that kind of comment! It's not like he's demanding anything.




[SYN] hydraSlav

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#6 13 years ago
Be4vizHe's just saying what should be done if we want to achieve historical accuracy ffs, no need for that kind of comment! It's not like he's demanding anything.

Not like i am demanding anything either :rolleyes: . I am just saying what should be done if he wants to achieve that kind of historical accuracy :rolleyes:




Orange

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#7 13 years ago

What happened to the draw? AFAIK the troops on that part of Omaha eventually breached through a roadway up off the beach, albeit taking MG fire from both sides of it. Where is it in FH's map? That little footpath on the left isn't much good with 4 MGs and a nebel firing on it, and the one-man-wide bunker system is just a slaughter. The Germans just stand around outside the bunker doors and blast any Allies who make it out. Occasionally they'll toss a nade and kill four or five Americans. If the map's meant to be a shooting gallery, then what's the point of the entire rear area of the map which is actually pretty good, balanced fighting terrain? If the Allies are supposed to capture the rear flag on a regular basis, why the messed-up bunker area?




Biiviz

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#8 13 years ago

Well, whatev then :P




2nd Lt Figjam

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#9 13 years ago

If you really wanted to, find a D-Day war veteran, and interview him about it. I found some on the net and was reading up on them. None really mentioned what the beach looked like, but it sounded pretty bad. In The interview I read, the guy got shot once in the hip, once through the thigh and twice through his right hand. But either way, its probably impossible to make it look exactly like it did on the morning of dday, considering none of us were around back then to see it.




Ohioan

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#10 13 years ago

Well I know they DID have MG42s on the beaches. There are accounts of U.S. soldiers hearing and being shot at by them. They did have a distinctive sound.

As far as the other ideas, it might be neat to make the bunkers a bit more roubust and varied, with some MG ports with crappy MGs to cover some side areas, but right now, the map is about right.