Problem: U-boats can hold 3-4 crewmen (don't remember Japanese or US subs), one driving and the others on guns. Diving kills them. Blub. I've lost a sub because I didn't want to kill my gunners by drowning them, when I was jumped by a destroyer.
Solution: Give submarines an interior with crew positions, just like the C-47 and Ju-52, in a chamber with no exits (I imagine this would avoid excessively complex modelling, but I could be wrong.) The model could be like the interior of the cargo planes--sparse but allowing players to exit their seat and stand around. All players in this room, whether occupying a seat or not, would die if the sub were sunk. Players would spawn on the sub occupying one of these seats (if one is free.) The room wouldn't have to be big, maybe half the size of the interior of a transport plane.
Crewmen manning the guns in positions 2-3 (or 4, I forget) could then transfer to positions 6-8 when the sub dives. If you wanted to get cute, make a hatch with a ladder that one of the "positions" could open with primary fire (like with the cargo plane), but that may be excessive--I just can't think of a way for people inside to get out if all the guns on deck are occupied, or maybe that would even be desirable :-)
This would also make subs a lot more useful in maps like Rheinuebung, where it's nice to let people spawn to man the AA.
Next, I would propose giving subs launchable dinghies (the 2-man motor rafts you see in a lot of maps like Meuse and liberation of Caen). I seem to recall that PT boats in Invasion of the Philippines had these little dinky two-man liferafts when they were sunk. The sub could then also be used for other maps as a sort of commando landing platform if people were allowed to spawn on it.
Yes i agree
maby its posibol to walk in a sub that wot be cool the only problem is what can youre team mates do? the are Just wating to get out
but i agrr that it haze to be posebol to take more man in a sub under whater it isent a 1man sub like the biber
i could see a whole team in that sub, sitting on the bottom. just like you can load up the transport planes. :p
As far as I remember, it is not possible to have more than 1 livable seat in a submarine with the Bf1942 engine.
hmm, I doubt that you couldn't have more than one seat in a submarine, yet again I might be wrong. I also agree it would be awesome to have a few extra seats because it's pretty useless to have a deck gun if no one can man without knowing that if an enemy trots around he'll have to swim.
FrederfAs far as I remember, it is not possible to have more than 1 livable seat in a submarine with the Bf1942 engine.
The actual "driver" (i.e. the guy looking out the periscope) is only 1 person. But look in FH--there's 2 or more gunner positions in every sub (deckgun, AA).
Yes but the are dead when you dive thats what he meens
It is possible. DCX already did it.
blackcat13Yes but the are dead when you dive thats what he meens
Ah yes, I see what you mean. I really wonder though whether that's not tied to the "interface with the outside world" rather than "seats on the boat". Which leads me to the question: would the kind of enclosed space I am proposing be a sort of separate entity on the boat? I don't know how vehicle collision meshes work, and am really curious as to whether this sort of thing is at all possible. If so, it might even imply that Japanese submarine-launched seaplanes would be possible, and that would be really really cool.
I have absolutely no clue how much/what kind of work is involved in this kind of modelling, but this is one thing I think would be sufficiently cool for me to look into it. Can anyone give me some pointers on how/where to get started, or is this one of those "put in your time for 5 years before even having a chance at coming up with something usable" things?
An old topic (by me!!) and I believe the outcome was for whatever reason it couldn't be done with this engine. It's too bad because subs could do a few more things like they did in the war: covertly drop off soldiers behind the lines, pick up fly boys, deliver supplies etc. Not to mention having a full crew ready to man guns when necessary.