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Johannes

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#1 13 years ago

I have a suggestion for the FH mod that I previously emailed to ArminAce. Anyway, I wanted to suggest that, instead of future levels with the French Army, that future levels utilize the Free French Army. The simple reason is that the Free French Army, unlike the original army of the Fall of France, fought throughout the entire war, are well known for certain famous battles, and by 1942 had become as powerful as the original French Army, mostly because the French North African Army (France's best, last, and only army other than metropolitan police) had switched to the Allied side (to be merged with the Free French in 1943). In any case, the point is that the Free French are more well known, as well as were more influential in the war, than the original French Army. Furthermore, using the logic of the Brazzaville Manifesto, de Gaulle declared continuity of the Third Republic upon liberating Paris, and thus TECHNICALLY the Vichy government was illegitimate. Therefore, the Free French are TECHNICALLY considered the true French Army following the Fall of France in 1940. Anyway, there are some REALLY awesome levels that can be made using the Free French: The Battle of Bir Hakeim (1942): The most famous battle of Free France, the French were surrounded in the small village of Bir Hakeim by armored German and Italian divisions. Vastly outnumbered, the French were able to hold the position, like a thumb in the Gazala battle line, for fourteen days, only supplied by the British 8th Army at night, allowing just enough time for the 8th Army to regroup at the El Alamein line, a crucial factor. At the end of the 14 days, the British ordered the French to evacuate the village, and the French did so by literally blowing their way through the enemy lines. Italian Campaign (1944): The French were one of the most famous and influential armies during the Italian Campaign (thus their inclusion in EA's The Road to Rome). Many battles involving them can take place in Italy, including various mountains (Monte San Croce, etc.) and the Gustav Line. The French were the first army to penetrate the Gustav Line, allowing the Polish troops to take Monte Cassino. Corsica (1943): Not much explanation needed here. The French, aided by Italian troops (now Allied) and the Corsican Resistance liberate the island a year before the liberation of mainland France would commence. Middle East and North Africa: Various battles involving the Free French happened in these areas, involving countries such as Egypt, Tunisia, Syria, Lebanon, etc. Operation Dragoon (1944): French commandos were the first to land in Southern France, followed by American troops and then the French Army B (later redesignated the French First Army) under General de Lattre de Tassigny. They would liberate Toulon and later Marseilles, then continue up liberating Southern France. While the usefulness of this operation has always been contested, General Eisenhower always stated that he considered it to be perhaps the most influential operation following Overlord. Alsace (1944): The French 1st Army continued up France to the East, where they fought for Strasbourg. They were the first Allied army to reach the Rhine River (though not cross it) and later continued to punch three holes in the Siegfried Line. Lorraine (1944): Under the U.S. 3rd Army, the French 2nd Armored Division, having liberated Paris, went on to fight in Lorraine. Afterward, the 2nd Armored would drive into Austria, and while they were not the first to reach Berchtesgaden and the Berghof, they were the first to take the actual Eagle's Nest fortress. Germany (1945): The French Armies would continue the fight and drive deep into Germany until V-E Day. General Leclerc would then be commissioned to lead the French effort in the Pacific, which did not really start when Japan surrendered. Eastern Front (1943...): The Normandie-Niemen Regiment was a Free French Air Force regiment sent to aid the Russians on the Eastern Front. Their excellent fighter skills and victories (even when at first it consisted of a battallion of only 12 pilots, though later expanded to a full regiment) made the Russians use this French regiment for propaganda purposes, even to the point that a German general declared all captured French pilots would be executed. The only Western European airforce to fight on the Eastern Front in World War Two, the much appreciated regiment received both French and Soviet awards. At the end of the war, Stalin donated the regiment's 40 Yak 3 fighters to France, the only supplies ever given to a western ally by the USSR during the war. Ouistreham, Sword Beach (1944): 177 Free French commandos, known as "Les bérets verts" and the only French troops to fight on D-Day, took the crucial port of Ouistreham on Sword Beach, an outer port of the city of Caen. The battle would culminate at a casino. Britanny, (1944): The night before D-Day, several hundred French and British SAS paratroopers were parachuted into Brittany to aid the Resistance in preventing German troops from being moved from Brittany to Normandy. The actions of the internal Resistance during the Liberation of France is often believed to have shortened the French campaign by 2 months. Well, those are some of the famous ones that I can think of off the top of my head. I just found it very interesting that the French Army was chosen for FH instead of the Free French when the Free French were vastly more important. The French Army essentially did little. It was also interesting that the flags on the map of Counterattack show a Cross of Lorraine, which was only used by the Free French Army. In any case, incorporating the Free French should be really easy. They mostly were entirely supplied by the British (before 1943) and the Americans (1943 onward). The only thing necessary to add for them would be voices (RtR, and French voices are in the files for BF2), slight uniform differences, and a flag with the Cross of Lorraine.




pvt. Allen

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#2 13 years ago

I agree, Free French Army would be very interesting addition to FH, so many interesting battles...




MR.X`

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#3 13 years ago

Good idea, but kinda low priority. Right there with the Hungarians I would say. Then again, we do have the sounds and the guns. All we need are maps. How about the KISS Army? MR713.jpg




Johannes

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#4 13 years ago

I suppose, but according to a post concerning the site's FAQs, the French, though there is no time frame for anything concerning them (or the Italians and Finnish) are one of the "extra" armies up for expansion, while Hungary (which would also be cool!) wasn't mentioned. In any case, I'm only saying that if there is to be an increased amount of French levels, to drop the pre-June 1940 French Army and utilise the more important post-June 1940 Free French Army.




Meadow

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#5 13 years ago

You seem to forget the whole point of FORGOTTEN HOPE - the Forgotten Hope of the Second World War - France, Britain etc fighting the German war machine in the early war. The French Army should stay as it is with many more battles focused on clashes in 1940 - the Free French would be, let's face it, Americans and Brits with different uniforms and guns, equipment wise.

I say very low priority, more REAL French maps before this.




pvt. Allen

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#6 13 years ago

I think that both french fightings theaters should be implemented sooner or later in FH.




Seth_Soldier

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#7 13 years ago

:beer:a great map for the fff would be syria 1941: French (vichy, national weapons) vs French (free french fighters, english weapons) In fact the fff just need a map, because after 1943 they are equiped with american weapons. I think fff should be done by the community mappack and supported by the dev because it is just a little modification for texture, and switch weapons. Dev should work more on dvlp new vehicules and weapons and support the hungairan project.




Johannes

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#8 13 years ago

As for the original point of Forgotten Hope, you should know that, as the devs say as well, that original focus of the early war is long dead. In case you haven't noticed, most of the levels in FH take place long after the fall of Europe. Forgotten Hope is no longer meant to represent the fall of Europe, but instead the entire World War 2. In this respect, the Free French were much more important than the regular French Army. In any case, the fact that the Free French would be so similar to the Americans and the British is one reason why I say they SHOULD do it: they'd be so easy to incorporate. The only thing that would be needed are the levels, and the Free French battles can inspire some really great levels, like Bir Hakeim. An example of what could be done with Bir Hakeim is zara5ustra's mappack for the Road to Rome called "All Roads Lead to Rome".




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#9 13 years ago

Yay for the fre French. but honestly I don't care (other then the flag) if the map holds, Regular French, Free French or Vichy French side. Just it's French. That means they speak French, drive French vehicles and use French guns. Vive la France! :D




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#10 13 years ago

I am researching Free French armor in North Africa for a future map. I wont have time to make it for FH but I intend to make it for FH2.

I have accounts of Free French Somua S35's in battle at Sidi Barrani and of French North African forces in Vichy territories joining the Free French in Tunisia.

I have data and pics of several Somua S35's in Tunisia and have a account of some Char B1's in North Africa and Tunisia. I have 2 pics of Char B1's in what looks to be North Africa but no further collaborating evidence.

My efforts were decribed in this thread. http://www.gamingforums.com/showthread.php?t=215840