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emonkies

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#61 14 years ago
imoodyI've got a few things to reply to here... ok... The japanese did have a helicopter aircraft carrier with helicopters armed with depth charges. The carrier was sunk (by an american submarine, i believe, ironically enough) before it could be used in action. The Germans weren't necessarily more adept at technical matters than the allied powers were - they merely had the drive to create new and different weapons at a more radical pace. They were the first out with jet propelled fighters because Germany was searching for a way to win a war which seemed to be pushing Germany into ever more dire straits. Aircraft such as the Hs 293, Me 262, Me 163 and the Ho IX pushed technological extremes at the time. They did, however, cancel their fair share of hopeful projects merely because they thought the aircraft looked funny, as in the BV 141. (an asymmetrical scout plane, with the powerplant and cockpit/scouting platform on separate spars) http://www.airventure.de/historypics/bv_141.jpg Remember that just because some airplane or other was the best at the time does not mean that is the best possible given period technology. (I know I'm getting off-topic, but...) I mean, the Ho IX was by all accounts an excellent aircraft, but as far as I know neither the Russians nor the Americans seriously looked into creating a flying wing fighter. The problems the Americans had with the XB-35, XB-49 and the B-2 bomber were not inherant in the design of a flying wing, they were inherant in the sheer size of the designs. What I'm trying to say is that the Germans may indeed have developed saucer shaped experimental designs, but the Americans or Russians thought them too radical or simply not workable. Don't flame me for making this so long.

During WW2 while the Horten brotehrs were developing their flying wing designs US aircraft designer Jack Northrop ws flying and testing the N-9 flying wing design. Dsc_0604%20Northrop%20N9MB%20N9MB%20right%20side%20in%20flight%20l.jpg




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#62 14 years ago

they were gonna build a bomber but the project was scrapped

xb35fl_wing1.jpgxb35_51.jpg




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#63 14 years ago

that's the one is in swoww2




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#64 14 years ago

Actually there was a prop version and a jet version and both were built and tested.

The YB-35 was the prop version and the YB-49 was the jet version. You can see the Yb-49 flying in the movie "The War Of The Worlds", it drops the nuke on the Martians.




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#65 14 years ago

The problem with the XB-35 and the YB-45, as I understand it, was instability caused by the air on the surface of the wing being able to transverse "port to starboard". This didn't happen with a conventional airplane as the fuselage restricts this movement. http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/b-35.htm http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/b-49.htm As, by all accounts, the manuverability of the Ho IX was excellent and, "The first flight was made in Oranienburg on February 2nd, 1945. The test pilot was Erwin Ziller. It showed reportedly very good handling qualities, with only a shade of lateral instability (as we know today a typical deficiency of tailless aircraft)." http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/1999/02/stuff_eng_detail_hoix.htm I had no idea about the N-9, but according to http://kcbx.net/~mhd/Passions/Northrop/n9m.htm it was a scale model of the XB-35. By the very size of the XB-35, it would have extremely poor lateral stability. Even though the Americans obviously realized this in their design of the YB-49, which incorporated large vertical "fences" to restrict lateral stability and they captured a prototype of the Ho IX, they still failed to capitalize on the project.




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#66 14 years ago
Anlushac11Im not a washed up actor but I believe there is something to all the UFO sightings. Those however dont look right.

Yeah. Beer and the human urge for attention.

The saucer on Alpenfestung is a retarded thing that gets WAY too much attention. Ther are other aspects that need attention. DROP IT PLEASE!




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#67 14 years ago
Anlushac11Actually there was a prop version and a jet version and both were built and tested. The YB-35 was the prop version and the YB-49 was the jet version. You can see the Yb-49 flying in the movie "The War Of The Worlds", it drops the nuke on the Martians.

And you can see the four-prop version in Raiders of the Lost Ark! Somehow, the Nazis got their hands on it...:uhm: I love the flying wings. I wish somebody would make a working flying model of one.




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#68 14 years ago

MYFGFW_LG.jpg it looks alot like the 2 engine version actually




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#69 14 years ago

Man don't you guys play the Secret Weapons expansion pack? :rolleyes: Remember the map Kbely airfield? The objective in that map was to destroy experimental UFO-ish looking aircraft. I'm pretty sure EA had some reason for putting those in. Perhaps they were in developement during the later stages of the war or something. EA doesn't put stuff in their games for no reason after all. you devs oughta take the model from that map, give it physics and moving props and so on, and slap it in Alpenfestung. Make it like a flettner, except much faster and slightly better armed.




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#70 14 years ago

UFO'S and flying saucers were all experiments in the early - late 1950's it was all about building the best weapon (cold war) thats why you probably see UFO's there probably Secret Weapons or planes from Area 51 (where they keep really secret Stuff) i was watching this UFO thing and some UFO looked like a wing shaped object similar to a jet powered wing like the stealth jet or somthing, anyway if UFO's Exist then, they are the US goverments secret projects, anyway i don't belive in aliens. if aliens really existed then we would kick there ass coz we got more weapons and stuff than them except for big battleship-type spaceship thingies like you see in Star Wars. this is all confusing and a load of total utter crap i bet Alpenfestung is a fake map that somone made to get attention saying the nazis had Flying saucers or helicopters. also there was no jet on jet combat i don't think even though the british Meteor jet actually saw action against V-1 Flying Bombs (doodle-bugs) i don't know if the Meteor or Messerschmidt 262 actually got into combat together, you never know, histories full of suprises :uhoh: