The Somua S35 - Armor and Shell Strength -1 reply

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Johannes

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#1 12 years ago

This is more a question than a suggestion, but it can be used as such. When playing Counterattack on singleplayer, I noticed that the Somua S35 seemed a pretty poor match for the single Panzer III the Germans get. The S35 barely affected the Pz III and was rather relatively prey for it. At least I THINK that's how it was; I haven't played Counterattack in a while and my memory is poor, so correct me if I'm wrong. Now then, I just got through reading this on Wikipedia: " The SOMUA S35 was optimised to fulfill the latter role: it had good speed, an adequate range, a gun powerful enough to easily destroy its two probable opponents: the Soviet BT-7 and the German Panzerkampfwagen III and armour thick enough to be practically immune to the fire of both." If that's correct, does that mean that Counterattack's Somua's were not up to history's standards? If so, it's just a future precaution for FH2 scenarios (death to balance!). If not, then someone should fix up that article.

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Now I've just checked out the Wikipedia article on the Pz III, and it says that it outclassed the S35. So who's right? I'm a little shallow as to the specifics of early war armor.




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#2 12 years ago

Look for better sources. Though wikipedia is, surprisingly, accurate for many things it is simply not reliable enough to base any historical facts from it, since anyone can edit it. Look for other more reliable sources on the different armour from the war.




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#3 12 years ago

they sure they didnt make the char bis outclassing pzrIII?




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#4 12 years ago

Komrad_B said, "Ingame the S35 is underpowered, and the Pz3 owns it, in actuality it was the opisite."(Yes I pharphrased with more words :D )




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#5 12 years ago

IIRC during the French Campaign there were virtually no PzIII's with a 50mm gun except some test units that arrived later.

Most of the German tanks were armed with 37mm guns which were worthless against the Somua and Char

The problem I think is that the Germans are getting a 50mm L/42 equipped PzIII because thats the least powerful PzIII available. The 50mm gun IS a match for the Somua and it upsets the situation where the Somua should be more powerful.




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#6 12 years ago

Keep in mind that statements like "outclassed" are value judgemnents and, hence opinion, which may vary a lot between different people. When writers are evaluating tanks, they sometimes tend to focus mainly on things like armor thickness and the power of the main gun, whereas operational range, mechanical reliability, size, cost, internal layout, communications, crew size, and many other factors, may be just as important, or more so. So the same tanks may add up differently in comparison, depending on what factors seem most important to the evaluator. Also,there are many differnt types of Pz III, so it depends on which model... [edit]Anlushac11 beat me to it :D [/edit]




Johannes

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#7 12 years ago

Yeah, the Somua doesn't even seem to hurt the Pz. III in game. I'm no expert with the early war French armor, and I just happened to decide to read Wikipedia's article on the Somua to a sudden curiosity. As soon as I read that, I had the urge to post here to find out what was the truth of things. Though of course I know Wikipedia can be extremely unreliable (one of the articles on Free France stated that French Guiana immediately joined Free France after the fall, when in fact Guiana didn't join until 1943 last I checked). But it's a good place to start.




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#8 12 years ago

French tanks are ridiculously underpowered ingame. The B1bis looses a fight head to head to a Panzer III, and the Panzer comes out of fight UNSCRATCHED! Come on! I understand the PzIII in FH is equiped with a 50mm gun, but I seriously doubt this tank was immune to french guns.




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#9 12 years ago

The French 47mm SA37 anti tank gun was considered by the French, English, and Germans to be every bit as good as the PAK38, hence the reason the Germans captured all they could find and issued them to German units and Allies. Some were still in service when Allied troops landed in Normandie. The Germans even converted the French factories to make PzGr39 and PzGr40 ammo for the French guns.




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#10 12 years ago

i think that, if it was in fact designed to combat the PzIII, it was probably based on combating the early models such as the E which had a less powerfull gun.