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Major Hartmann

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#41 13 years ago
'[79thSgt-D'] I read that in the memories of a former soldier who belonged to the 2nd DCR (division cuirassée de réserve = reserve armoured division, the odd name of 1940 french armoured divisions... then they were called as in others armies "divisions blindées". Cuirassier = horsemen with heavy helmet and chest body armor - "cuirasse"(then tanker), cuirassé = battleship... but we also get the word "armure", for the knight's armor, he he. So the soldiers belonging to these divisions were called "Cuirs", by abreviation and because "cuir" means leather, like their jackets and helmets...)

:confused: What are you trying to say?

About the B1s fan grill: You can be sure that such a grill won't stand any AP shot placed on it. The extreme forces and the way the grill is set up would bend the "bars" and let the shell pass. This would probably lead to damage on the cooling devices, but that's nothing that would cause emidiate engine failure. From the way it looks on the pics, it seems that at least parts of the armour are located on the hull at the inner side of the tracks. The outer panel with the grill seems to be more like a track guard (like seen on the Matilda II) then real armour.




Fuzzy Bunny

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#42 13 years ago
Major Hartmann:confused: What are you trying to say?

It's a play on words in French. Cuirasse = a type of torso armor that leaves the arms free, Cuirassier = armored late 18th and early 19th century horseman, so the same way we have some US mechanized units called "armored cavalry", the "C" part of the DCR name for French armored divisions referred to this function. French tank uniforms were also largely leather, which means "cuir", and French people love abbreviations, so "cuir" = either "leather" in reference to their uniforms or and abbreviation for "cuirassier" or armored cavalry. Get it? It's witty.




MR.X`

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#43 13 years ago

Major Hartmann:confused: What are you trying to say?

About the B1s fan grill: You can be sure that such a grill won't stand any AP shot placed on it. The extreme forces and the way the grill is set up would bend the "bars" and let the shell pass. This would probably lead to damage on the cooling devices, but that's nothing that would cause emidiate engine failure. From the way it looks on the pics, it seems that at least parts of the armour are located on the hull at the inner side of the tracks. The outer panel with the grill seems to be more like a track guard (like seen on the Matilda II) then real armour.

I think he just ADD'd on that one mate. ;)

Is there any way to make the grill realistically weak, like it was in real life? I recall putting something like six or seven shots into that bugger in a Panzer 38(t) on Counterattack 1940 before he turned at shot me. Not cool Komrad!




Seth_Soldier

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#44 13 years ago

the grill was far to be weak ! if you look at the description, its behaviour under an impact is nearly like the other plate of armor thanks to his system of double curves and the repartition of the energy (how the curves are linked). During the battle of france, only the 88 and 105 have been able to pierce the monster. The stugIII wasn't really present during the battle (only at the end) but sure it would have been a better challenger against the B1bis. In real engagement, the german tanks has no chance to pierce it. In a video game perhaps, if you come very closer.

but lool the ft18 with his puteaux sa18 was able to pierce a pzrIII at 400 meters. in game it would be easy to approach a pzrIII under this range !

(:lol: remember counter attack-map with my r35 in the city destroying every german tank coming ...)




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#45 13 years ago
USMA2010Is there any way to make the grill realistically weak, like it was in real life?

Erm, didn't he just cite sources stating that the grill's weakness was a "persistent legend"?